Mr Mohd. Sukhera it seems u have been reading too many of those pak studies books printed and authored under the dictatorship of Ziaul haq glorifying thocractic state of govt…read what Jamal said in another forum:
The Quaid did not create a country for Islam. He created a country where Muslims could protect their culture and religion without hinderance from the majority. He had clearly elaborated his vision for Pakistan after independence. He wanted Pakistan to be a secular, progressive welfare state. The mullahs who had called him a kafir, now claim ownership of his creation. Have you noticed the all pervasive expressions of Islam in Pakistan without the slightest effect on people’s morals. Jinnah was a century ahead of the so called leaders who followed him. Give Zia all the credit for the bloodshed going on now.

“If i am wrong then correct me-it is a reality that India never recognized Pakistan sincerely-so for as pakistan anit Inidia tactics are concerned so why India has opened about 2 dozens of its Counselates on Afghan border with Pakistan?” – Arshid

Arshid, why do you (and many other Pakistanis) think that India doesn’t recognize Pakistan?
Doesn’t Pakistan have an Embassy & consulates in India & India have the same is Pakistan? That means ‘Officially’ recognizing a state as a sovereign nation.

When former Indian PM Vajpayee visited Pakistan in 1999, he said that he wanted to clear all misconceptions & clearly stated that ‘India recognizes Pakistan as a sovereign legitimate state’.

As for the Indian consulates in Afghanistan. Most Pakistanis seem to be under the impression that Indian consulates in Afghanistan train & send terrorists to attack Pakistan.

This is as farther from the truth as can be. You think, with American & NATO presence in Afghanistan, they would allow something like that to happen?

The reality is that America & NATO want Indian presence in Afghanistan so that India can have it’s democratic influence on Afghanistan & help build and strengthen it’s democratic institutions. They want India to help Afghanistan get rid of the radicalism that has existed in that country for decades.

Killing people, Flogging people, Injuring people are all wrong wether in the name of religion or not. I see a lot of people writing in this forum about how killing other people is wrong because the Quran says so. Reality is “It is the wrong thing to do irrespective”. Militants are power hungry and they will do whatever it takes (terrorism etc) to get it. See them for what they are.

The muslims of sub continent separated from Hindu majority India so that they could live their lives based on teachings of Islam. The main slogan of the masses was: “Meaning of Pakistan; There is no diety worthy of worship except Allah” which has been totally forgotten. The politicians did want Islamic law in the country and the struggle still continues. Politicians set up political parties based on regions and creed. The Former Pakistani dictator (Musharaf) used the military to kill innocent people who either did not agree with his policies or wanted the Islamic law in the country and called them terrorists. He ordered the militay to destroy the Lal masjid seminary where thousands of children were learning Islam. Musharaf wanted the country to follow Kamal Atturk’s teachings who was a heavy drinker and his first priority was to build a German brewery right in Instanbul(capital of Turkey)which is still functioning today.Pakistan’s militray’s job was to defend the country against foreign agression and not to kill its own people.Pakistan’s problem is its leadership which is hypocrate, corrupt and arrogant. They spend more time to safeguard their leadership than help the masses. Pakitan’s problems can’t be solved with military force. There has to be a political solution and we have seen that force has not worked in the last 6-7 years. Talibans are not against the West, they just want to live their lives in peace and without any foreign agression. Drones which are being operated with the help of Pakistani government from bases in Pakistan are killing innocent people and they are fighting back. pakistani government should encourage the west to negotiate with Taliban in Afghanistan to bring peace to the wartorn country.

Now this is going to hurt.
Perhaps, Pakistani institutions are using terror as a way of doing business. It helps them get huge sums of money by keeping the rhetoric of an unstable Pakistan destabilising the region going. This has been stepped up recently and now it says that entire Asia will be destabilised unless money is poured into Pakistan to upgrade its economy. This is plain silly, but the Western countries are falling for it and so it encourages the Pakistan government to keep this charade alive and let terror flourish. The one flaw in this scheme of things is that the Pakistani citizen loses his dignity and in the eyes of the world he is viewed in poor light for no fault of his. The ordinary citizen seems to have lost his pride through the actions (or inaction)of those in power.
The people need to realise that the money Pakistan gets does not translate into development but only lines the coffers of some. It is time that Pakistan ventures forth to change itself from within & become self reliant or else it will be be condemned to remain a near failed state and Lahore will be continually repeated elsewhere by these worthless predators. Please dont allow it to happen.

My dear friends
We in India feel sad when we hear such attacks on our Pakistani brothers, yes we feel Pakistani as our brothers, let me tell you through this news channel that most of the Indians are aware about the pains common Pakistani is suffering due to some of the radical groups from inside Pakistan. Unfortunatly in Pakistan democracy was not implementated properly and therefore Pakistan was under military rule for long time, If one man take a decision for whole country for his own intrest common people are going to face such problems one day. But if common man comes together for a good cause what can happen is proved by reinsisting Justice Chowdhury. We Indian welcome such move. We want Pakistan should live in a peace but having said that it is required that common Pakistani has to change their anti India mind set that got cultivated by your politicians for their own intrest. It is possible to change the faith of your country if you all come together, nobody can stop you.

I believe we will get through this. It is a learning phase every nation has to go through. We have to hang in there, believe in Allah, believe in ourselves and do the best each of one of us can do.

Times like these give us an opportunity to expunge the rot out of our society.

Please come support our brave policemen who are laying down their lives fighting terrorists despite lack of resources, training and equipment @

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=60797398211

I read all the news and comments of fellow Pakistani’s. How long you all be acting like sitting duck and critise your politicians or world for your own problems.I consider this as your own problem because you have right to choose. You make wrong choise. You are one to blame no one else. The ISI, why are they given such privilage, ban them and make a country a social democratic like others in the world. Become non islamic, if this is Islam in islamic country it is shame to all the muslims, that a muslim is not safe in muslim country but is safe in non muslim country. Stop blaming others for your own fault.
Karachi

Dear Sirs and Madams,

With all due respect, i see almost all of you talking about Symptoms not the cause?

The core reason was at the very first place was the injustice done with Pakistan at the time of its creation by depriving it with its due share which made Pakistan a Poor and a desperate nation.

On the other Hand at the end of the cold war America left Afghanistan alone (forget Pakistan) with extreme miseries and poverty,,, hence leaving them all at the disposal of a Poor Country Pakistan… So What you think? who is the real culprit?

The one who left the region when their Adventure and instead of development went for an ugly decision of supporting Talibs or the one who could do nothing more then to go for the American Masters (a mare cost for survival) or an ignorant neighbor always adding fuel to the fire on instability????

Please Stop Blaming Pakistan and pray for its success acting as the only shield for our neighbor.

I would like to correct MR Amanjit; Its not only Pakistan who is against India, Its the attitude of India towards Pakistan. If i am wrong then correct me-it is a reality that India never recognized Pakistan sincerely-so for as pakistan anit Inidia tactics are concerned so why India has opened about 2 dozens of its Counselates on Afghan border with Pakistan?
One should be realistic; passing remarks while sitting in New Dehli is not a big job! open your mind and face the reality!

solution to this mayhem is elimination of propagation of religion. with that i mean shut down these madrasas or convert them into regular schools. no speeches over the loudspeaker of mosques . use mosques as culture centers emphasis on learning and healthy activities. no mullahs . use media to reform the mases towards peace justice and productivity. turn comunities int self governing and enforcing security , along the line of kibbutz.emphasis of religion in every aspect of society is the disease we have to cure.education and responsibleleadership with vision is required. eliminate extremism and opposition to freedom and peace. relgion and state has to be separeted. should have check and balaces in the aministrative system.

Govt. should tell the public about the result of investigation with these terrorists. They have not revealed anything abt. the Sri Lankan team, Benazir’s murder so far and I am afraid the same would happen to this investigation too.

There is a lot of truth in Sanskrit saying, ‘The Ghosts live where the scholars are not respected’.
Pakistan is paying heavily for showing utmost disrespect for Dr Abdus Salam.

-An Indian

I don’t understand why so many Indians are providing their unwanted opinions on Pakistan. Taliban or Baitullah, someone is felicitating these terrorists. Million dollar question is who??…13 consulates for the development of Afghanistan..Hint Hint. I’m not shifting blame, rather focusing on real enemy. The first step to stop a menace is to indentify the source. Only then you can concentrate on remedy.

Tell US and ISAF to manage the border from their side. Likewise we’ll manage it from our side. If you see someone crossing over, feel free to shoot, detain him (them), but once and for all stop blaming Pakistan for everything that goes wrong on your watch. And no more drone attacks or we won’t provide land routes for shipments.

Either the coalition forces will put their act together or leave. Chances are that they’ll leave and even before they leave, our neighbors on the west would pack up the 13 consulates and say goodbye to Afghan hospitality.

I bet my life fact that the moment these 13 consulates are shut, Pakistan would be back to normalcy.

Till that happens, people please keep your eyes open and focused.

As for TTP taking the responsibility, even I can call up a newspaper and claim to be Baitullah and take credit for these attacks. Who is to say that this Baitullah is not on raw’s payroll? If he is taking revenge for the drone attacks why has he not attacked US interests in Afghanistan? Neither have I seen him taking credit for the Indian consulate bombing in Kabul. Especially so when cossing the border is a walk in the park..LITERALLY or so is alleged!

Wake up people of Pakistan!

DAWN REPORTS!!!
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Police arrest suspects in Manawan attack
Punjab Inspector General Khawaja Farooq said that police had captured 50 suspects in connection with the attack.
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hmm , so 50 innocent people rounded up in 24 hrs , just like they did after the Sri lankan attack. and then the next week —Nothing!

is this a joke? after every attack round up local people and claim – hey we got some of them? do you think these jihadis keep 50 of their brethren around to be picked up? This is showmanship / symbolism at its best!

Now the people of Lahore should realize what the people of Karachi were going through.

They always used to say Karachi main hangamay hotay hain. Yeh to sada Lahore hay.

One thing which has emerged from these barbaric acts is that the so called Taliban have lost the public support, support which they enjoyed during peak days of Kashmir uprising. These are the same people who used to be called mujaheedeen in Afganistan and later some of them were labelled as Kashmir freedom fighters from our side of border.
Lets be very clear about this, this is a civil war, a war which is directed against the very core of the federal establishment.
These people will not stop, they will not negotiate, they will not hesitate to kill innocent people. If you look deeply and peel of the cloak of sharia which motivates these mullahs, it is a power game. In a way it has similarities to the Sri lankan civil war, only difference being that in our case Afganistan is a lawless country which gives these terrorist a hiding place and a base to operate from.
The current Obama policy of treating Afganistan and Pakistan as a whole or one country makes lot of sense at this time. The only way for us to survive as a nation is to have a safe and secure Afganistan. The days of treating Afganistan as a buffer against India by our goverment are long gone. The Americans really want to help, let them. We are only saving ourselves by accepting there help. Dont you think that they have the right to hold us accountable for the money which they give us. After all we accept it with conditions.

I say, Seal all borders with Afghanistan. Seal all borders between the four provinces and establish a very heavy security check point between the Pak Afghan border. Doesnt matter if it requires positioning 10,000 soldiers on each check point .. scan each and everyone coming in and leaving out!

Between Borders of the country and also with in the PROVINCES …

And then lets see if we dont get rid of these loosers

This is the state of Pakistan under attack, by an enemy that knows no bounds. This is also unlike any war that we have seen. Unless we wake up and join hands against it, it will eat us all up. The problem so far has been that we fail to recognize the enemy within us – there has to be no excuses for murder and crimes against humanity.

The state has failed because we have chosen to hand over the country to the most inept, the most corrupt. Those who aren’t competent to run a “karyana” store are trying so miserably to call the shots, giving the criminals (read TTP) a free hand. If the ISI is complicit in safeguarding the Taliban leadership as alleged by the Americans, those responsible need to be hanged. If the Army does not wake up to this threat from within, there won’t be a PakLand left to defend in the near future. D-Day is here and it is now. We have to decide if we are going to counter this threat, or if the dillydallying will continue, because we have run out of time.

I am an Indian. I believe Waseem Sarwar’s comment is very relevant as he has focussed on the core of the problems haunting the Muslim world, especially Pakistan, i.e education. He has only mentioned madrassa education but if what is taught in Pakistani schools is anything to go by then a major overhaul of your school curriculum is also urgently required. Reading what a concerned Pakistani group has to say about school texts was shocking. I suggest readers take a look at this web site:
http://www.sdpi.org/whats_new/reporton/State%20of%20Curr&TextBooks.pdf

Khan Yousaf said the right thing.
Rehamn Baba had said that if you dig the well for others, you will yourself fall in it. Zia ul Haq was one well digger and look what has happened now.

Pakistan has been ruled by rough leaders and shameless bigots. This country needs a complete overhaul in all stages of government rule. This present government is no different.Once this mess is taken care of by president Obama then the next step is to get rid of the menace that rules the country.

It is a fearful and shocking to see youth of today are dying for no apparent reason in Pakistan. Human life worth nothing during these times when most of the World Nations have been competing in the good fate where as in Pakistan with corrupt politicians and terrorist hand in hand are playing deadly selfish game together. Wake up people of Pakistan make a choice to support either Americans troops or Those guilty politicians

Okay… time to move on – till the next bombing , next week .

Ignorant people of Pakistan got what they deserve.When all muslims depend on those ignorant Maulvis for their faith related issues.Our people so ignorant, that they belive in what ever these Maulvis tell them. They dont bother to read them selves. They have no education, how they going to read their religion and understand it. Now some one tell me why we are more phonetic in religions than our Arab bretherns. In our country we start killing each other but why their is not throat cutting in Arab countries. We start destroy public and government properties If some imbecil said some thing regarding our Prophet (PBUH).
Some one said that people who are
killing innocent worshippers in the mosque cant be Muslims. I will say they are not Kafir either and they are not non muslims either. I have not heard any sucide bombing in the West, they are non muslims but they are much more humane than our people.In west they dont cut each other’s throat not they blew them selves in the churches or synagogues. Why we are so inhumane. Is this the teaching of Islam. No Way. This is all because we dont read our religion, we dont read quran and understand it. As long as we will keep our heasd in the sand, problem will not solve. As long as we dont read and understand our religion, we cant develope tolerence for other religions and sects.
May Allah help our people to comprhend the gave situation we are in right now. As long as we dont understand the teaching of Quran and prophet Muhammad(PBUH), we will will never able to live in hormony and respect for each other.

I would like to express my deepest condolences to the people of entire Pakistan (not just Lahore) who have been facing this terrible and horrified sequence of events almost on a daily basis. Pakistan is in turmoil. Common citizens are uncertain if they will survive next day or be caught up in a crossfire. For the decent people of Pakistan it is becoming impossible to live in peace and raise a family. While one can somehow manage the skyrocketing prices, it is extremely difficult to manage terrorism specially if the terrorists are from your own kind.

In a logical manner of thinking the government is supposed to guarantee safety for its citizens. Unfortunately God has not graced Pakistan with such amenities. The same corrupt politicians linger on and are being recycled. When they die they are preceded by their children who share the same inept and corrupt morality as their fathers. They are more interested in lining their pockets then in building the nation.

Despite such negativity and adversity, it is amazing how the brave people of Pakistan still manage to go on with their daily lives.

Given the current situation, there are not too many choices for the Pakistan in order to come out of the current crisis. In my opinion this is what needs to be done immediately:

1. Get rid of the religious extremists/terrorists. This is war and should be treated as such. No more fighting with kid gloves. The entire armed forces should be involved. Remobilize the army from the Indian-Pakistani border if necessary after getting assurances from India that it will not attack Pakistan. Lock down the entire areas of NWF and Baluchistan and cleanup once and for all.

2. After cleanup special handling will be needed to console and regain trust of those who may suffer during the operation. Remember, America initially won the war in Iraq but lost it later because it did not have a plan to handle the Iraqi people who turned against them.

3. The funds from US and other countries should be utilized effectively to help build the effected areas. Create employment opportunities as it leads to satisfaction and goodwill.

4. The madrissas should be shut down. Government must control the education in Pakistan by utilizing private and/or public school systems. All children must receive well rounded education to become productive citizens. Children can learn to read the Quran after school or in classes during school.

5. Aggressively pursue the resolution of Kashmiri issue. Major powers and the UN will have to be involved to impose a solution. The Indian politicians will never do it on their own because they will be thrown out of the office. If the Kashmiri issue is not resolved, we will be revisiting this entire scenario of terrorism sometime in the future.

My best wishes are with the brave citizens of Pakistan who I admire greatly and I pray to Allah that He restore it back on the path of progress when citizens compete with their knowledge instead with bombs and terrorism.

Now you have it from the Horse’s mouth! We released this man in exchange for some soldiers ( i am referring to Behtullah) and since then he has killed more than 1000 people if not less.Why can’t we not negotiate with these terrorists. We have to accept our military men are the biggest cowards. A case in point whenever an operation ends the army takes over it, it doesnt lead. I am still startled as t why we need FC in tribal areas when there is full scale war. Where is the army? Too busy getting plots in DHA allocated to them.
I think Waziristan should be sealed now. No one should be allowed to exit it so there will be lower probability of these terrorists hitting again if they are coming from there. Why arent we doing what Israel is doing? Collective punishment for these terrorists.

Sharia law is the problem because you can’t force minorities to live by your religious rules or have separate laws for minorities and not for non-minorities.

What law is applied when there is a dispute between a Muslim & a minority? Sharia or not.

People who make sweeping statement about things they don’t know about only make a cartoon of themselves.

Hindu and Sikh minorities from Swat and Peshawar have already started migrating to India since they don’t feel safe in Pakistan anymore. What next?

Well Mr. Sajjad.. our current politicians supported raiwind even after Zia. I understand there should secularism. Religion should be limited to public holidays and personal life style. Pakistan should be first concern… who ever wants sharia law can go to the neighbor in west and let us live and prosper in peace.

HOw many terrorist are there in Pakistan.. 1000 , 2000, 5000..??? What does our army and other forces DO. Why cant we Finsih them. Army is good for nothing.. They are just getting Higher Pays. I think Our Army should Decalre a REAL war against them and Kill thm all and thn Seal the Borders With Afganistan. They Need to Take COntrol over Tribal Areas as well. That’s the Only Solution.

Hello,
I am an Indian muslim from Bombay and the issues in Pakistan affect me greatly.. I work in a software firm in Poona, a satellite town of Bombay. I have been under the impression that partition and Pakistan was not a bad idea based on conditions of muslims in India:
1. Unlike my family, there are many muslim families whom progress has not treated well yet. But then, I see that there are other classes of Indian population who are struggling to improve their lot. I used to think that Pakis are much better off, which does not seem to be the case anymore.
2. Bombay and Gujarat riots – many of our bastis were affected, but so were hindu dominated locales. Luckily where I live, most people were not swept up in emotions.
3. The concept of “unity in diversity” that Indian textbooks like to teach us. India has too many religions, castes/sub-creeds, languages that it all looks like a wonder, if at all it can work – but looks like 60+ years have not done that much of harm – of course, there are inteha-pasand groups like naxals, sikhs and tamils (not any more if at all), some tribes in the north east, but they are like 1-2 percent of the population!

Looking at Pakistan today, I think if Zia and the military had not gone wrong in misusing religion, it should have worked better than India. Anyway, hope for the best, dear brothers. If the motivational lawyer movement was any indication, there is ample scope for hope. Our prayers are with you.

Khuda Hafis,
Tanveer

Why save Lahore only? The question is discriminatory. I am from NWFP. How many people have registered that on the same day as this attack the Taliban killed 5 Pakistan Army soldiers in Bannu. Radio Pakistan said 5 soldiers killed by militants while terrorist had martyred the policemen. No politician condemned it while they were crying hoarse over Lahore. Terrorists do not discriminate but they get space to act when media and others do.

Pakistan is in a bigger crisis. If people (or) politicians don’t wake up now and act, the country will be in the hands of terrorists !!

Save your country! Save your people ! Save families, youth, children!

Only when atmosphere is peaceful, so can you think of economy, prosperity etc., etc.,

Hi,
this is in response to the post of “Omar” on
March 30th, 2009 at 12:06 pm.

What’s happening in Pakistan is disheartening.
But to comments like “Highest bidder against Pakistan is” and “hired by you know who”…

No one has been a greater enemy of Pakistan than Pakistan it self. It may be hard to swallow; but face it. I am saying this not because I am an Indian; but a very honest and neutral opinion.

When I read these posts I get a feeling that there are people in Pakistan (and I am sure there are) who are peace and progress loving.
To all of those Pakistanis; please act; or it may be too late. It’s time to act rather than leaving things to God and those who misinterpret God.

To comapre apples to apple , I was in Mumbai after 30 days of Mumbai attack and I am also from USA. And I was in one of that hotel which came under attack. Absolutely smooth trip , life and night life. I was out on roads on busiest downtown streets to lower middle class streets at night 2 pm or 3 pm every night. City was almost smooth and fun loving whole night. The same famous Mumbai night life was restored and people were still loving all. Hates off to the people of Mumbai to give suck a nice kick back to terror and start living dame life again.

“zeshan says:
March 31st, 2009 at 8:08 am
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I from NY born and raised right here in America, my parents are from Lahore and just one month back I was there in the middle of liberty at 2pm and found out I have to run back home since liberty along with most of Lahore is closing down. Every time I am in Pakistan something happens and usually it leads to destruction.

Today as you sit in your house and watch your country being destroyed in the name of God get up and do something about it in the name of God. The Rehman and Raheem God that I know would never want what is being done in Pakistan. The youth, the intellectuals, the people of Pakistan with some sense should get up and fight a Jihad yes, that word again. Jihad but do it the right way, Jihad of the pen.”

It disgusts me and huants me that our army can’t get to these people while our journalists can access them that easily. Secondly, recent comments by Major General Tariq that Bajaur has been secured made headlines but can I ask the army, so whats keeping it from moving into North Waristan and South Waristan, the stronghold of these Talibans. Why is that always our intellegence agencies are on the backfoot and they have to counter these events after they take place, why don’t eliminate them when they are in the planning stages.

I am flabbergasted by the deal done in Swat, and can anyone beleive it, security forces have to get permission from these Mullahs to move around! Lastly, ever so often we read a specific number of militants have been released. Can I ask the authorities to go back to the drawing board and re-think their strategy because the current one is not working.

Adnan Raja,
I appreciate your comments.

But isn’t it ironic?

For my appeal, I received one reply and that too from a friend living in USA. All of our friends who live in Pakistan either ignored my comments or chose to not respond.

I am still optimistic. I will check the blog again to reassure myself that morality is still alive. We all can still, as a team, strive for peace in our sub-continent.

To respond to “Sajjad’s post (March 31st, 2009 at 7:15 pm)”, I quote Eeman’s post (again) below:
“It’s ironic to see Indians connecting every single attack with Jihad and other religious doctrines. The situation Pakistan is experiencing today is just 8 years old since the 9/11 and Bush’s ‘War on Terror’. We were living in Lahore and rest of the Pakistan peacefully despite having Jehadis and all relgious schools around.”

The conspiracy deepens. Baitullah Masud is a CIA agent who has been tasked to attack the White House. Wah!

Just wait — soon you will see claims of “false flag” operations being planned.

This is known as Simulated Denial Recognition Effect (SDRE).

The problem with pakistan is not the govt or the taliban. the problem is the people of pakistan. every single person is lazy and inept. wanting to get everything the easy way or for free.
stop blaming others for your own short comings. take resposibility for your own flaws and failures. the goverment sucks? why did you let them be elected? the police is corrupt? why do you let them get away with it?
if pakistan is to be saved (which i doubt it will)we must take notes from iran and ( public enemy NO 1 isreal) there must be a total change in national attitude from the ground up. we must instill a spirit of hard work and due diligince in the entire nation, from the farmers and the sweepers to the president(sic) and the prime minister. a military draft must be instituted for EVERYONE, not just the poor but the rich too.
cause until we do not learn that the easy/superficial way gets you nowhere, there is no second place in this race, we are destined to fail or be broken apart.
mush said it best “pakistan ka allah hi hafiz hai”

Hi
Can you ask the worthy journalist that were taking the Interview to provide the location of the most wanted person!

For once stop the blaming game. We have to look inside our own territory. Enemy is within us, stop the madness of blaming the whole world for this. It’s a shame how more we can degrade ourselves.

The Lahore attack has yet again proved the incompetence of our security personnel. It has also shown the that people responsible for security of Pakistan are not sensitive to the problem. The focus has to be to preempt and pro actively take measures. This Lahore attack is unfortunately not going to be the last one, and other cities are getting involved. Instaed of blaming India or the US we need to identify the potential targets. Educational Institutions could be a target amongst others and there is hardly any security there. Imagine an attack on one of the elite schools or colleges or university of the country. We will again cut a sorry figure. Shopping plazas could be another target and so on and so forth. Is it so difficult to read the wicked minds and methods of our enemies? For Gods sake do something before its too late and act right now. We can keep looking at the long term solutions seperately.

Hello , In short , i think it was a sequel of Mumbai attacks and was far more poorer production, People from inside realize this and some must be well aware of it , in order to affirm the western Powers or Allies of the new tide of terrorism we face today, much stronger than formerly presented.. Am i wrong?

I am not surprised by the recent attack by the Baitullah Mehsud’s trained and controlled terrorist, but extremely upset and frustrated by the government agencies, the PM, the President and the Army Chief, because they are just sitting in their well-protected and air-conditioned offices and doing nothing or not enough to protect the citizens of Pakistan, and just issue press releases that says “we will finds the terrorists and will not allow this to happen again”. But they neither find the actual person, in this case Baitullah Mehsud and punish him and such incidents happen again. I don’t know how our agencies cannot arrest him and other so called Pakistani and Muslim persons, when the media people can get to them and print their pictures and statements. All militants who want to enforce their Islamic law by force do not deserve any sympathy or leniency. They all should be punished in public and all those who support them should also punished, so that the image of Islam and the Muslim can be changed from Terrorists to Peace loving religion and followers. We need a bloody revolution to save the mankind. The sooner we do it, the better it is, otherwise no country will be safe for anybody.

Well,,, we have tried dictatorship and Democracy both do not work for us. Now people please wake up and try Sharia… I know I know.. everyone is asking what is Sharia etc… Lets adopt Quran and Sunnah as constituion, Let us elect a shura who interperts them to drive rules and regulations for everyday governance…

If this happens there will be no place for any of the people we have involved in the country… from Zardari to Nawaz to Kazi to the army… most of them have no knowledge of sharia so automatically will be kicked out.

Whats wrong with Giving Sahria a chance… ???

First of all my heartfelt condolences to the many victims of this atrocity.

We the Pukhtuns from the NWFP have been screaming about this menace of terrorism for the last five years. But all the armchair politicians and the TV pundits were ignoring what we were saying and instead putting their own spin of “the pukhtuns fighting for revenge”. Pakistan has virtually lost the NWFP to the Taliban and AlQaeda. The people of the NWFP have become refugees in their own province. All of this was due to no choice of the people of the NWFP. In the early 80’s a military dictator decided to support jihad in Afghanistan and allowed 3 million refugees to settle in the NWFP and in Baluchistan. Mind you those refugees were not allowed to settle in the Punjab or Sind. Now on this forum I have read people suggesting special passes for people of the NWFP who want to visit Punjab – what a shame.

The only way Pakistan can fight this menace is for the people to get united and face the terrorists. We cannot get united unless we stop thinking like pushtuns, punjabis , muhajirs etc and start thinking like PAKISTANIS.

Our Media (especially Urdu Media) is very much biased towards right wing.

Every thing is blamed upon India and Afghanistan and right wing Media every time defending Extremist Religious Fanatics by bringing different and every kind of excuses.

This is the only reason why nothing has been done against these Terrorists

RAW is indeed involved in spying against Pakistan, but certainly they are not able to Brain Wash people by opening up their own Madaris and produce suicide bombers.

Right wing Media claim that Taliban has caught hundreds of US and Afghan spies and beheaded them. My question is, if there are really run by Indian Spies, then why not Taliban are unable to catch even a single such Madrissa?

WAKE UP! These kafir Taliban are NOT Muslims. They are worse than the kharjis in the Phrophet’s time, like the evil members of the Quraysh tribe who opposed Islam at the beginning. They want to change our religion of love and peace and tolerance. When we accept that these people need to be condemned by all of us, then we can move forward. Do not be jailed in your homes. Come out with your wives, sisters, brothers and condemn them. Don’t let them change your lives otherwise you will see a day (like in Saudi Arabia) where women are restricted from day to day life and men (like in the Afghanistan of the late 90s) are whipped if they don’t pray in the mosque and grow beards. Ya Muhammad!

People in Pakistan need to understand the basics of the current voilance perpetuated by the taliban and their increasing influence on the state and people. Its roots are in dark period of Zia’s regime. His effort to islamize the country initiated the the mashroomed growth of religious seminaries financed by the Arab Oil, in the country where poor students were bainwashed and indoctrainated with a particular brand of islam. The graduates of these seminaries number in hundrands of thousand and now want to implement their brand of islam on Pakistan. What is happening now had to happen, the events outside pakistan i.e. 9/11, American war in Iraq and Afghanistan has very little impact on it. Hence now the people of Pakistan should stop blaming India, American policies and the current politician and focus on the real issue. Reforming madrassas is the most important thing that needs to be carried out, the general population need to change their mindset, i.e. religion is a personal issue.

I was rubbing my eyes again and again to make sure i was not asleep when i read the comments from ‘Realist… posted Mar 31. Either he is not a muslim or an Indian. The reason i am saying this is he speaks truth, nothing but truth regarding the situation in Pakistan. For once there was no denial, no blaming India, no blaming RAW and he uses the ‘R’ world (Religion), admits the mistakes. Do we have more pakistanis of his ilk. I hope he is a pakistani in the first place.

Hasn’t the old adage come true…

“Those who live by the sword die by it”

Can Pakistan be salvaged. Chances are very remote if they do not shed the religion being used as a tool.

Brothers,

Please explain this problem to me:

1. In all its declared objectives, America has failed terribly over the last 7 years.

2. According to folks here, America is conducting a highly successful covert game.

Why is it that the same America is incompetent overtly but a raging success covertly?

Or, perhaps #2 above is just in peoples’ imagination?

I just think that we have had enough of this non-sense. We need to start striking these goons who in the name of Islam do things as they want too. These people have to be treated in a way that we should make an example out of them so that next time another organization would think twice before even attempting to manipulate peace or try to destabilize Pakistan.
But the sad part is, we lack leadership in every single department of Pakistan. All are hungry for power, money and for such leaders, country comes in second.

Look at the positive for a minute. at least these guys killed themselves or stuck around to be killed.

Else, just like the Sri Lankan cricket team attack , the Pakistani police would have to issue first their wonderful deductions :

- maybe India did it
- We have arrested a boat load of innocent people
- Okay , so its not India
- We are about to catch the real guys who did it
- Aww crap… lets hope there is another attack and Pakistanis forget about this one, because we are clueless and can’t bring anyone to justice!

Our country is facing social, economical, and political problems. The solution, I think is:

Very strong judicial system which delivers justice in no time.

Education of masses

Restructuring of political system which would enable poor people to perform public service. Governement should provide finances to poor citizens who want to run for public office and can show popularity by gathering 1000 or so signatures like in USA.

Put computerized controls on everything to eliminate corruption

This is getting worst everyday and we are all responsible for that.
Fight against terrorism can never be win by wepons or put barriers or rules for entry in punjab as it was sujjested earlier.

We need to build a complete infrastructure for that matter.
1.) by having a rule of law in true term not alleged by some polictical movements or voilent marches
2.) true democracy not by killing eachother and getting sympothy votes or by generals turned presidents
3.) educational movement. by spreading education to everyone in the country and when the term education is used it does not mean that everyone shouold learn how to write and read but educate people to make right choice between right and wrong
4.) social values by giving the best upgrading to your children and for husbands to giving the best oppourtunites to their wives to stand as an individual.
5.) circulation of money, the wealth of pakistan should be spent on the right things with the right means. setting a STOP on curroption.
6.) Religion: by having one true form of islam not all those differnet movements and madrasas… i think all those organisation that voilate the world in the name of islam should be officially baned in pakistan and it should not be allowed to send children to any sort of madrasas boardings, the best of all way to learn quran is by our mothers, and we should discourage madrasas!!

The best of all weapons is YOUTH of pakistan to stand to fulfil all above given, it is time to say no and react for the rights. We cannot always blame on our politions.
and key to achieve all those goals is Tolerance…May allah help us all

I fail to understand Why Pakistan negotiated on SWAT with Talibans.

This is a wake up call else Pakistan in bound to get dose of its own medicine.

it has to come out of Anti-India Tactics & concenterate on its Enconomy

Pakistan is nuclear. You know who is doing this, Nuke them!! Nothing less will stop them from moving one city to another, Islamabad may be next! May sound extreme but you tell me ,how you can stop this.

ISI and Army is Riding a tiger called Taliban. Pervez musharraf claimed that every pakistani must respect and feel proud of ISI and Army to keep Pakistan in place.
Now it indirectly means to keep Pakistan proud, Taliban must be respected and felt proud of. If the so called “leaders” have this mind set then the result will be what happens after “riding a tiger”. Simple and straight.

Reading this blog assured me that the nation is awakening. A vibrant civil society is taking its role. The Military-Mullah alliance that hijacked this nation and whose fifty fivers wrong policies pushed us in this direction, are over now.

An iron hand is required to deal with extremists. We have seen the results of determined policy of Sri Lankan government’s against LTTE. Government need to show the same determination against these Jihades. Whole nation is with it.

i am an indian muslim and disturbed by what is happening in Pakistan.
i believe that that pakistan needs some basic social changes and specially some education about india as well as europeansor americans. there is a persistent belief in most of the pakistanis that they are better than others and they have to right to criticise and even punish others if they think its correct according to what they know.
i have experienced first hand with pakistanis that i have encountered. the preconcieved notions and the distorted history.
it took a lot of time for pakistan to be where it is now and i think correction period has got to be slow as well. but as from outside pakistan i do not really see anybody in pakistan (apparently) to be able to start something fresh.

The menace of terrorism should be fought on war footing. I tell my soldiers, policemen, people of my country to fight against them. These people should be marginalised. If these guys think they can brainwash a few people, let us understand that united we can turn the whole country against them and kick them out of Pakistan.

Pakistanis need to decide what they want. it is a choice between living a decent life, caring for each other, prosperity, OR
blame others for their problems, turning blind eyes to homegrown terrorism,

Talk to the Taliban? Support the government? I cannot believe some the comments here.

Wake up people. The country is going up in smoke and we have a terrible (albeit well deserved) reputation as being a terrorist haven. There should not have been a negotiation with the taliban in the first place.

There is only one way we can move forward and that is to obliterate the taliban where ever they are. They are the true enemies of Islam. If we have to get America’s help to do it? Then so be it. These people should be wiped off the face of this earth. Anyone who condones their actions and/or sympathizes with them should hang their heads in shame: there is blood on your hands. May the deceased rest in peace.

I quote, with slight modification and appologies to John Donne (1624):
“No man is an island, entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the nation, a part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea, Pakistan is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manner of thine own, or of thine friend’s were.
Each man’s death diminishes me, For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know, for whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.”

Please realise that it is not just the policemen, “The Bells toll for thee”. It is time to act!

While neighboring countries have been busy becoming Economic Powerhouses, we continue to excel as training grounds for ‘heroes’ going to Kashmir and Afghanistan.

What has a Kashmiri or Afghan done for me? Why should I suffer because of the 3 entities (Government/ISI/Military) running my country in their own wise ways?

We can never solve a problem until we first admit having one.

Like Canada/US/Europe we had a great chance of an Economic stimulus between Iran/India/China but we have just been living in medieval rhetorics and serving others in the name of “religion”

Bravo.

It is very sad hearing this.as a human being every one condemns it.We should keep remember that it was all our wrong policies that we had against Afghanistan and brought Taliban into power,Afghans were right not to accept such people to rule them and God bless them for their efforts that made it to remove them by any means from their country and our Country (Pakistan) shouldn’t have let them to build hideouts in our cities as now we see the consequences. it is said the one who digs the dig falls himself in and now those Taliban whom we were supporting are against us. we can pray God to save us and our country from these extremists and we salute our army for the janbazi they showed defeating them.Thanks

It is very Simple to Save Pakistan from current crisis.

Media should take initiative to create awareness of modern world.
Please educate public of pakistan by informing them about Malayasia and Indonesia that being Muslim country what progress they have made and put their country on International Map.

Baitullah Mehsud has confessed about three recent attacks including on Police Training School in Lahore.

I think the leaders of Tahreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP), Tahreek Insaf Pakistan (TIP), Jamiat Islami Pakistan (JIP)including some media anchors should call a All Terrorism Supporter Conference (ATAC) to decide future of Pakistani muslims.

These parties should announce openly to takeover against supporters of America and globalization.

I believe this entire game is being played by the US itself. These so called religious fighters fighting in the name of religion are brainwashed puppets who have absolutely no knowledge of the Quran and Islam. It sometimes seems as if the goal of some elements is to firstly malign Islam as a religion and then try to destabilize Pakistan so as to take control over its nucluer assets.
Pakistan is an Islamic country founded for muslims to freely practice their religion.
People who want Pakistan to follow a sharia law such as is practiced in Saudi Arabia should realize that the economic conditions of both the countries are strikingly in contrast. for e.g we cannot carry out the punishment of having a thief’s hand cut off as in Saudi Arabia because the government is to first provide economic stability and proper environment where the needs of the common people are met, so as to ensure that people do not commit crime out of need. At the moment it is quite evident that the current government has failed to provide such an environment.
Secondly Pakistan lacks leadership at the political level and more so at the religious level. The common people have no understanding of religion and it would be easy for any religious leader to exploit them as we have seen happening in the past.

This problem cannot be changed overnight. Because this was not created in the last few months or years. This started a long time ago. It is only strong enough now to come out in the open.

The only way for Pakistan to a better tomorrow is to build a better nation by teaching the next generation better.

Give priority to education and health rather than figuring out if Kashmir belongs to India or Pakistan.

Talk to the Taliban more effectively.Let that region be autonomous while giving them a lucrative reason to give up killing anyone they deem appropriate.

We cant kill them all.No one can.So what do we do?

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We need the people of Pakistan to be trained fit and ready for what is to come ahead of us. Martial arts and commando techniques must be learnt by the youth to survive.

What a sad day for Punjab…in the 1900 century the Wahabis were thrown out by the muslims of then Hindustan,the same need to be done now !!

Dear Pakistanis:

The only way to secure our country is to strike back and with much greater force. These people do not understand the language of dialogue and peace. Thats what should be our response. Time to talk is long over.

While I agree with most of the comments that we need to put our house in order. I am deeply disturbed by some of the comments from our neigbours. While our people are dying every day due to terrorist attacks they seem to have a sole agenda on their mind i.e. to discredit Pakistan.

The extremism problem is actually a combination of a host of problems facing Pakistan. The inability of the government to give justice to its people, the lack of proper education and the quality of religious leaders.

If we are to deal with these issues, we need the resolve. The solution lies in dealing with both our internal and external enemies. Unless we dont stop formulating our own strategy and having someone else’s policy shoved down our throats we will continue to face this problem.

What happened in lahore is just a short clip of whats coming up. Does anyone ever think about what is being taught at our Madrassas?

The biggest step is to take all relgious insititues into the government’s custody and implement a real Islamic way of understanding, or atleast have a check and balance on their teachings.

The following needs to be done by the general public:

1. Pressure parties in Panjab, PMLs, PTI, JI, JUI to issue a statement against the perpetrators, and condemn it in a clear way. Their main leaders should be the ones, making these statement on all TV stations.

2. Pressure govt to constitute a civilian investigation committe to investigate state’s support and relations with the sectarian and Jihadi parties since the withdrawal of Russian forces from Afghanistan

3. Direct election of City Police Inspector, who can not be replaced by any govt official.

Thanks

Finally a blog where everyone agrees with everyone else….

Lahore is going Supernova sooner or later and there is no place for political parasites.

The conclusion is, we need a SOCIALIST REVOLUTION.

I from NY born and raised right here in America, my parents are from Lahore and just one month back I was there in the middle of liberty at 2pm and found out I have to run back home since liberty along with most of Lahore is closing down. Every time I am in Pakistan something happens and usually it leads to destruction.

The Question is, Why Pakistan? Why is it that Pakistan is the center of all this? There are many answers but the one that sticks out the most is simple ” in the name of God” we justify everything with that simple phrase. Our leaders manipulate us in the name of God, our poor are taken advantage of in the name of God, people blow themselves up in the name of God, rights are taken away from people in the name of God, people destroy Mosques and other places of worship in the name of God.

Today as you sit in your house and watch your country being destroyed in the name of God get up and do something about it in the name of God. The Rehman and Raheem God that I know would never want what is being done in Pakistan. The youth, the intellectuals, the people of Pakistan with some sense should get up and fight a Jihad yes, that word again. Jihad but do it the right way, Jihad of the pen.

The problem with this country is unemployment, lack of education, lack of business opportunities and lack of honest politicians.

Focus of the recent spate of terrorism is shifting fast from embattled tribal areas of Pakistan to Punjab. A second deadliest terrorist strike in less then 30 days time hitting a city previously immuned to such activities says it all.

Better intelligence, timely coordination among all the security agencies concerned and above all, the political determination to fight it out against all the odds is what we need to combat terrorism.

The biggest hitch is restore the confidence of law enforcing agencies who have faced the brunt of terrorists more than anyone.

Let’s hope and pray that we could see the on going “political heroics” in Punjab off, if collective security of citizens is to matter at all for those at the helm of affairs.

Obviously it was a great shock to the our Nation, but when in these crucial times we try to blame each other that really doesn’t help us at all and it goes in the favor of our enemies. We need to come forward as a strong & stable nation because that’s the first thing our Quaid told us ” Unity ”

We all have to get united, support the govt. institutions and show trust on and respect these institutions, only then we will be able to protect not only Lahore but Pakistan.

LONG LIVE PAKISTAN

First of all our heartfelt sympathies with the bereaved families who lost their loved ones in these dastardly attacks.

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To Wasit: ”An entry permit for anyone visiting Punjab from NWFP is needed. It may be too late to save NWFP. Let us save at least the heart of Pakistan.”

If thats what some people in Punjab think right now, than I am sorry to say that such kind of a mind set is not a very positive sign for our national integrity.

I strongly believe that its just a transitional phase in our great country’s history. Every vibrant and live Nation goes through some kind of conflicts and wars at different times of history, so we are also not unique.

Rather than panicking at this critical time, we as a nation need to stand united. We have got a beast which has unleashed havoc on our country and our people but i am sure as a resilient nation we will overcome these problems.

It really surprise me when i hear from some quarters (couple of foreign states) that Pakistan is going to be a failed state or on a verge of being declared failed state. I think that is ridiculous!

These are just acts of desperate people who know they’re losing and are on their way exit.

I am shocked at this event! There is urgent need to bring in some permanent Territorial Force/Territorial Army (TFTA) presence into Lahore.

After having skiied down from Swat, these attacks on Lahore now are the last straw. This menace has to be managed. Should the citizens do it themselves? Are they organized enough? The retired generals can help. I propose a Generals Union Brokered Operations (GUBO) as a group that will lead the citizens.

Self-defense is the best defense. No point looking at the light pool under a lamp-post because the noose is hanging above. Peace to all.

Dear Fellow-Pakistanis, Assamualkum from America.

My heart bleeds for Pakistan. The situation keeps getting worse each day. No government can help until the citizens help themselves. We should stop blaming USA for our current predicament. Our nation has been on this downward slope for quite some time (much before 911). Mugging and burglaries in broad daylight have been the order of the day. Even the women and elderly are not spared.

Our students, lawyers and others interest groups are quick to come out to express their anger when they feel threatened. Why hasn’t anyone come out against these butchers and fanatics? It is as if we are in a deep sleep unwilling to wake up while the looters are destroying our homes.

Wake up Pakistanis and reclaim you land. Go out in the street and let them know that you disapprove of the way a small segment of the population is trying to impose its will on the majority.

My hope and prayers are with you.

Please Save your blood brother!

How can I live in peace if my neighbor is being killed by goons.

I’m glad to see that a majority of Pakistanis on this blog don’t see these terrorist attacks in Pakistan, as some conspiracy theory by India or US.

People in Pakistan, seem to be getting around the fact that their Governments (past & present) and military are, at least in part, to be blamed for the cancer of terrorism, which is destroying Pakistan today.

A vast majority of Indians want nothing more than a stable, progressive & moderate Pakistan next door and good relations between the two countries.

In order to secure Lahore & the rest of Pakistan, the silent moderate majority of Pakistan needs to break it’s silence and let their voice be heard loud and clear “NO MORE RADICALISM & TERRORISM”

I am a US based Pakistani. I love my country and it breaks my heart when I see my countrymen losing their lives to face terrorism. Pakistan is not a terrorist state and it’s surely not going to harbor any terrorists. This is a land founded by Quaid-e-Azam for peace and prosperity.

After today’s incident it became evident that Pakistani’s want to eliminate these extremists. As people joined the pak army, rangers and policemen and wanted to barge in to take out the terrorists showed that “we have had it.”

We need to take these terrorists out and punish them to the extent that no one even dares to harm Pakistan. Government must take an “iron fist” strategy and finish this mess once in and all.

Swat is part of my country and I don’t want it to be excluded from Pakistan. We, Pakistanis, need to raise our voices and join hands now, more than ever before, to become an iron wall against these infiltrators.

Arun – I live in the US too and count some of my dearest friends who are Indian Hindu and we eat together, dance together, and hug together. Your comment is the most beautiful I have read in a long time with all this nonsense hate going on. I can tell you a very large majority of Pakistanis were in complete anguish when the Mumbai attacks were happening. Thank you brother for being a sane voice.
Best Regards,
Adnan

Osman – you are the poster boy for woman’s progress with that love for sharia law you profess to. Backward class shining through on blogs.

Boy, women rejecting your slum mentality must have played havoc on your disposition. Perhaps, we should bring slavery back as well, so men like you could be treated like wise.

Today’s terrorist act furher underscores the dire need to rid Pakistan of it’s centuries old fuedal system, coupled with a colonial way of doing things. Mass education made mandatory through federal/state legislation, complete devaluation of fuedal families and the uprooting and complete eradication of foreign and domestic terrorists. No amount of $ will ever be solve Pakistan’s varied problems. The only way to remedy these problems are for the people of Pakistan to rise in unison and revolt against centuries old ways of doing things.

Shria Law is not the problem. People that define the shria law in their own sense are the problem. Being educated in religion, does not guarantee one’s ability to make accurate Islamic decisions. I would love to see a shria law, if the prophet (PBUH) was defining it, not if it is define by the Saudis or any other so called Islamic clergies.

Pakistan cannot hope to have peace as long as criminals and militants are allowed to set up camps, train, recruit and spread their message of hate. They are doing all these openly in Pakistan. I still like to believe a minority of people with guns are holding the majority of moderates hostage. Time for the Pakistan Government, army and people to take action and expel these extremists. Start with Dawood Ibrahim, Masood Azhar and the likes who have so much blood on their hands.

I am also from Lahore and I love my city as well. And I agree 100% with M Shoaib Akbar. We have to make the whole country safe, not just Lahore.

I live in USA. I am originally from India. I play cricket on teams that have as many friends from Pakistan as from India. When we play cricket, we play as one team, all of us as friends, brothers and team-mates.

We all shout with joy if one of us takes a wicket and one of us hits a boundary. We don’t discriminate based on religion or nationality. If one of us gets injured, we all feel the pain. When one of our players injury causes blood to ooze out, the last time I checked, the blood was of the same color.

Some of the days, games are played during Muslim religious observations (like Rojas) or Hindu religious observations. If some of us have to offer prayers during lunch time, we all respect the need for a player or players to offer their prayers with respect.

If we can play as a team in USA, why can’t we be a team closer to our homes, in India and in Pakistan? Why do we have to accuse and point fingers? Why can’t we fight terrorism as a team?

I have traveled a lot. But one country that I would love to visit, with my family, is Pakistan.

My appeal, as a Hindu from India, to all Pakistanis is to please work hard and create conditions in your beautiful country so that I can visit, as a tourist, Pakistan in my lifetime (I am 45 years old).

By the way, my parents (who migrated from Pakistan in 1947) tell me that Pakistan is or at least was a most beautiful country in 1947.

Today it was Lahore , tomorrow it will be another city!!

This government with the current military leadership smacks of incompetency all around with one blunder after another!

I think its very important that we protect our cities from these militants from the FATA and Afghanistan.

All these people caught today should be publicly hung. Moreover their families should also be given that punishment. I believe once we attack this terrorism with no remorse these people will stop. All their women and children should be killed. They deserve no remorse from us.

I feel we should have strict checking of ID cards and the bogus ID cards issued by NADRA to these afghan refugees etc should be revoked.All these people should be arrested stopped from entering our cities!!Otherwise we will face more of these.

I am sorry what is happening in pakistan, however with the current state of Pakistan, I am happy that we bangladeshis went a seperate way.

I would squarely blame the government of pakistan who is letting the country get into this kind of turmoil

Dear Fellow Pakistanis.

To me It was Pakistan’s Mumbai but lets praise our security forces that how they defeated the gunmen in “just eight hours.” This attack may finally persuad Pakistani Nation that this is our own WAR and i’m sure and GOD willing we pakistanis can WIN it!

The “highly-educated” person quoted below is definitely not writing from Pakistan, hence his advice to carpet bomb the “uneducated” lot!

“Khan Yousuf says (March 30th, 2009 at 9:02 pm) ….. My advice to the educated class – get out of Pakistan. Pakistan now is like Iraq- bombings every week. Get out and let someone come in carpet bomb entire regions of these islamofacists.”

What a deep sadness of this savage attack happened in my loved city where I lived for a few years when she was beautiful, quiet and peaceful. Damn all those terrorists! Condole with all victims on this savage attck. Wish all their beloved families……could be good. God be with you, we Chinese with you!

All I would like to say is that Pakistan must erase the thought that Indians always want to deciminate Pakistan. This is simply not true. Pakistanis while practicing their faith as they wish must hope to have good life style, economy and enjoy peace and prosperity. Once you are able to practice the faith of choice why should Taliban or others should dictate how you should govern the nation?

I always believe you cant bend a tree when it has grown up. Pakistanis should change their curriculum of hate against India and its citizens. Can’t pakistan fight for Kashmir peacefully?
Terrorism has forced the people of Kashmir to respect india and hate Pakistan. Pakistan has effectively lost kashmir and its respect.
Change the mindset of today’s children and you’ll have a better future…

We must follow Islamic Principles.Firm believe on Allah can only help us to overcome all our problems.

I can’t believe that even after all this people are talking about Khilafat and Sharia as the solution. Wake up! Mixing up religion and politics lies at the root of the problem.

It’s time to stop discussing these medieval practices and start thinking about a secular form of government that provides peace and justice for all.

To aziz dar ( below)- young jihadi …

You know that sharia law you so love –won’t have you converse in English, let alone allow you to use the blogs or the internet.

And I see that we continue to blame the US govt for this from some here. Let’s see – did the US govt train terrorist in Pakistan? Did they provide the logistics for 911 attacks? Prior to that the US govt was funding Pakistan and had no issues with it.

ISI and so called father of the Nuke bomb in Pakistan, started all these terror camps or leaking of dangerous technologies that made Pakistan a pariah state in the international community. The white man is superior because unlike the rest of us , they seem to love their country more.

What a joke- Pak wants Kashmir and it cannot handle mullahs in the NWF. It can’t maintain the sovereignty of its own land and it fights for other lands.

My advice to the educated class – get out of Pakistan. Pakistan now is like Iraq- bombings every week. Get out and let someone come in carpet bomb entire regions of these islamofacists.

I agree there are some so called jihadi-elements which have there own objectives.
But the real culprits are organized groups and secret agencies…they can brainwash and prepare puppets who can blow themselves up and engage in attacks. They are filled with hatred, racism, etc.
I pray to ALLAH to save my country.

I find it appalling to read that this forum and many postings only talk about making Lahore secure? What a shame, I am a lahorite myself and we all should be equally concerned about saving Peshwar, Swat and Dir. This is exactly the wrong mentality that is separating us. I dont care what these ppl say, they are NOT MUSLIMS, and the government should root them out, whether they are in lahore or in Swat. We should love and care for all Pakistani’s. Every city is the heart of Pakistan, not lahore alone. Stop with this stupidity!

These terorists need to be rooted out by force. Force and Force is the only answer.NO NEGOTIATION WITH TERRORISTS” should be our national slogan. The arrested terrorists should be tried in summary courts and executed on spot.

The problem is all our religiuos political parties are not only supporting them but they are there main patrons.When ever the GOVT takes action,these so called leaders come to the rescue of terrorists on various pretext adovocating negotiation with the terrorists.Lal Masjid is one of the example. Every one including the Print and electronic Media was blaming the Governament for not taking action for 6 months when these religious thugs were terrorising people in Islamabad,but when the Govt took action,every one distanced itself and started to blame the GOVT till this moment.
There should be no negotiation with terrorist at all. They need to be killed mercilessly as they kill innocent people in our country.
By negotiating in SAWAT we have created another sanctury for these terrorists where they will openly train and Regroup for further expansion and even in short period of two weeks they have given ultimatum to the GOVT for having the same Qazi courts in Malakand and Chitral although there original demand was only for SAWAT.One leader of a religious party went further in supporting there demands asking the GOVT to have the same kind of Qazi courts through out Pakistan. Now we can see where the roots of terrorism are.
I would like to request the Pakistan Army to take immidiate action and clean our country of these terrorists and their patrons and not leave it to these incapable and greedy politicians who can not see any thing beyond their Drawing rooms and Palaces.

I left Pakistan 17 years ago. I’m from Lahore and miss it terribly. There was a time when Punjabis wouldn’t stand for this type of mayhem. We loved and respected Lahore (not to mention the rest of Pakistan). These terrorists are killing our own in the name of ‘what’???

Its about time everyday people stand up to this behavior. Stop defending them in the name of religion, US or Kashmir. There is NO excuse for this. This is giving Pakistanis a really bad name all over the world. Its a real shame as we have some of the best and the brightest youth. It’s making overseas Pakistani’s ashamed of our own country and culture. We are constantly having to defend these stupid actions.

If these terrorists believe that their beliefs are so right, then why cant they use peace as a weapon? Are they not confident in their own belief that they use this type of violent behavior?

An entry permit for anyone visiting Punjab from NWFP is needed. It may be too late to save NWFP. Let us save at least the heart of Pakistan.

The only solution to recent problems is Khalafat. The system we are dealing with does not fulfill our needs and even does not suits us. Injustice and government of culprits in this country is the only cause of this situation. We need to change our minds to a bright future with a bold step of Shariah and islamic rule. Long live pakistan, long live Muslims. Ameen

It has been said many times that these terrorists are doing these acts on the name of religion. NO religions can possibly support these kind of acts. These people are not even humans, not to mention muslims.
I think the question raised by the Govt today is a very important one: Who is providing arms and support to these outfits?

The most embarrassing aspect for the authorities is the lack of any conclusive investigations following these incidents time and time again. All efforts should now be focussed on providing resources to the invloved authorites so that we can get to the bottom of who is behind these acts.

Lahore Attack Done By Uzbek Terrorists at http://www.pakspectator.com

I feel sorry for innocent police trainies/officers who had dreamed of better future for themselves and their families.

Pakistanies are our neighbours(we share our language and social moments in joy and sorrow) and they should be supported during these tough times.

Lets get together and defeat these enemies of humanity.

Strong Pakistan is good for the world.

Actually talks are easy rather then practice.
and DAWN giving you this opportunity.

that’s why we can only give “Comments”

unfortunately we don’t know about our Religion too much.

more over Media is also showing you Selective images….that’s why…?

so Called Terrorist are responsible for everything or PAK ARMY and ISI, who is fighting our own ppl for the Sake of “PEACE” and handing over Afia Siddiqui to USA for the sake of “WAR ON TERROR”…?

we should try to forget the Nationalism and think about ISLAM.

As Pakistani Nation, we have to accept the fact that there is a problem. We as a Nation have not accepted the fact that there is a problem. No one until today has worked on finding the root cause(root cause is glaring in our faces, but we ignore it) for the mess we are in. All our solutions have been bandaids. We have to contain and than find long term solutions. It is very easy to blame Talibans or Al-Qaida. Why have we not elimated them until now, we have consumed billions of dollars, but they are increasing in number every day. Trust me folks, no one will solve our problems, we as a nation have to get up and clean our own mess. The day we stop asking the world to solve our problems and stop begging, start solving our own problems things wont change. Keep Religion out of it as Pakistanis have dis-serviced Islam to the max

i know our politician will now blame india. we first have to look in our own house. when isi trained LeT in 91 narasimha rao the indian pm had said that one who plays with fire will one day get burn himself. terrorism will surely destroy pakistan one day. not only we have lost kashmir, we will now lose our entire country. i weep for my country and the paths it has followed.

Prassad from india:

On behalf of all Pakistan, thank you for your message.

Inshallah we will wipe out this menace of terrorism. everyone must understand they have no nationalities –they dont know borders. They feel no shame! They lack even the most basic human emotions.

God bless Pakistan

Its ridiculous to call in the army again, if you were not asleep for the past 8 years or so, it is actually the meddling into politics and every sphere of life by the army that has brought about this day and unfortunately there seems to be no end till the end of this so-called war on terror which has killed much much more innocent people than culprits…its eating us day by day…jihadis, mullahs, madrassahs or whatever…we were not faced with such things way back in 1999 till we had not given into this war on terror led by US. What do you get when you occupy a country? Afghanistan or Iraq…or assist in its prolonged occupation….? War is brought to your home…Every such event is a clear resounding reminder that we need to set our foreign policy aright…excuse ourselves from this war waged yet again by western governments, and be neutral in the conflict.We surely don’t want a piece of it…not politically, socially, economically or religiously.This is a menace…Worse yet…it depicts that Pakistan is ungovernable and should be ‘assisted’ by outside forces for its nuclear safety. It doesn’t say that the policy-makers (if its still being done in Pakistan for the past 8 years) are a pathetic bunch.

These terrorists seem to be of Afgani origin given that most of those found spoke Pashtu. The Taliban is slowly spreading deep into Pakistani territory. The SWAT valley is another ticking timebomb waiting to blow up in Pakistan’s face 4-5 years from now.

I am just wondering why does the topic say “how can Lahore be secured”? Does it mean we only care about Lahore? Why doesn’t it say “How can Pakistan be secured”? It’s not only Lahore that is suffering, the entire NWFP, Karachi, Pindi, Islamabad, all of them are suffering.

I strongly condemn these attacks not only in Pakistan but anywhere in the world. The thing that we need to understand is that now its time for all of us to keep our differences aside and do something for Pakistan. I don’t even understand how in the world these security officials don’t understand that we cant take things lightly, few weeks back it was the Sri Lankan team and now its our police cadets. I don’t even understand how long will it be before our leaders stop fighting each other and become united to fight for Pakistan.

This whole mess was created by Pak army starting from Zia ul Haq

Anyone one who interprets that his religion teaches him to kill (therby justifying killing) other human being for the sake of religion has not understood the religion.

I am not a scholar, but if Koran teaches us to kill others in the name of Allah, then the religion itself is flawed. God cannot instruct human being to kill other human being whom he has created. God loves his people even if people are sinners. If God cannot forgive his people then how can human being forgive others?

In short, we should not believe what a Imam tells us but go back and search for true God.

Waqas here conveniently blames the US for all that’s wrong with our country and advocates the establishment of a caliphate. Surely, you are joking. It’s precisely this kind of thinking that has led to the situation that we are in right now. Some obsolete form of government from the middle ages is anything but the solution. Separate state and religion. The Taleban and other similar religious groups need to be shunned and treated like the pariahs they ought to be. We cannot justify their barbaric ways. Don’t negotiate with them; punish them for what they’ve done.

Why blame any foreign power? Pakistan is destroying itself from within. Lack of meaningful leadership contributes to present chaos. President & his cohorts are oblivious to the menace of terrorism. Find out who is providing cash flow to these misguided young men. Besides place in paradise promised by mullahs, someone is paying for the ticket to paradise.

Do your prayers regularly. Keep your faith in allah and follow your religious duties. Allah will save our country.

By arresting all those ISI and other officials who support terrorists.

Dear Parshant,

Pakistan never looked it in “The Indian Angle”,
Its India who does so, See any example in the history, India blamed Pakistan hastily, without even having investigation or proof.

We are a responsible nation, and act responsibly, instead of blaming empty handedly..

All these happenings just bc of greed,selfishness of our leaderships specialy from Zia’s regime, Everyone just want to fullfill their pockets by foriegn aids and putting our nation on stake, Justice is another factor which they use only for thier interests!! Thanks God and to our military forces atleast they have captured few Terrorists. Now again Let’s Hope for the actions and Justice!!

Unfortunately, over the period of time extremism has creeped in our society. There are small number of terrorists who are killing innocent people in the name of jihad or fighting agaisnt America. But On top of these terrorists there is a significant number of Pakistanise, who have soft corner in their hearts for these so called Jihadise. On TV talkshows, press and even in drawing-room discussions we find people who try to justify these anti-state & anti islam elements. To control terrorism, we badly need to control and eridicate the moral support these extremists are getting within our society.

The only organised institution is Pak army. I wish they should step in and safe Pakistan before things get out of their hands. Army should step in and should clear the mess by not allowing any body to flee the country but to kill and permanently remove the evils from the Pak land. Army should not lend any hand of leniency to any body bent on destroying Pakistan. We have tested all these Political parties in the past many times and they have proved that they are the western puppets and nothing more. They do not have capabilty of running the country.
Pakistan is an Islamic country and we do not need any Islamic organisation to run the state.

I am sure there are many like me who are looking for the Army to act and act with sincerity. Please save Pakistan.

We have to widened our vision, and eliminate the network of enemy states who are funding these terrorists to destabilize Pakistan and give a bad name to our great religion.but…
unfortunately we don’t even have the courage to point towards those countries shame on us

I hate the fact that Pakistani people think they know everything. Musharraf was one of the best things that could have happened to us but people do not get it. Atleast he brought in people who had actual real life experience and education to run the country. It takes an economics and finance degree to run the finance ministry. When your goal in life is to “reply” to any attacks or trangressions of India, you have a serious problem. The amount of hyprocrisy within Pakistan is amazing. I guess Pakistan is getting what it deserves.

@ iblees : What religion has to do with extremism???

The bomb blast and suicide attacks which have almost become daily household news items have made the security situation across Pakistan to deteriorate. The latest incident in Lahore comes on the heels of the militant brutal attack against the Sri Lankan cricket team earier during the month of March. Terrorists used machine guns and grenades on a police training academy in Manawan killing many innocent people. In a society beset by extremist violence, this latest attack was bloody. At a time of economic duress, partly related to the country’s deepening insecurity, this will have severe repercussions. Pakistan’s economy has been affected by the security situation in a negative manner. Denying the accusation by some western media that Pakistan was playing a double game in its fight against terrorism, the government in Islamabad has made it abundantly clear that it had been fighting the war on terror on its own national interest. U.S. officials have said recently that the administration in Washington together with the Congress would develop new benchmarks and metrics to measure its own performance. The statements of the U.S. officials and the U.S. drone attacks on Pakistani soil have driven home a fact that the U.S. was not content with the performance of its ally in Pakistan, analysts said. Clashes and attacks are likely to take place in the country more frequently in the future with nobody knows when they will end. Pakistan would be put in a position where it would have to beef up military operations in the northwestern and tribal areas. The government in Islamabad have confessed that force will not defeat terrorism in the country. A comprehensive strategy should be utilized. Unfortunately, dialogue and peace agreements with militants are, more often than not, vulnerable to maintain peace in the restive northwest.

Remove inefficient top brass including the political elite/ those un-elected persons appointed on the top slots like governer punjab, interior minister etc. Stop political postings of beurocracy / police officials and bring in honest well reputed people with motivation and good training. Carry out strict accountability / swere punishments for the defaulters / inefficient people in the establishment especially the police officials.
Besides we must also get rid of off foriegn arm twisters, money lenders and enemies in the garb of friendship.
It will not save Lahore only but Pakistan as a whole.

Pakistani folks

It is about time your government identify this issue of terrorism will engulf pakistan. ISI and government preoccupied in
destabilizing India whereas Baluchistan,NW frontier, SWAT are about to blow up in your faces.
Like “rauf” said if Pakistan is a land of peace then these Mullahs are spreading the wrong ideology and destroying your nation.
I have studied and worked with many pakistanis and i am happy to say that most of them are well educated and actually very proud people.
Indians and Pakistanis can work together but we have to trust each other first…and BTW Kashmir is an excuse..to start any problem.

Dear Brothers and Sisters of Pakistan

This is a message from one of your brothers in India. In the hour of crisis, we want you to know there are many in India want Pakistan to raise out from this crisis. During Mumbai attack happened, we felt angry when we came to know few Paksitanis are involved. But these terrorists are not even sparing you. We both are victims of terrorism. These people might have born in Pakistan. But they are not human being and do not belong to any particular country.

I am sure 90% Pakistanis do not support terrorism. That is not enough. The time has come for every peace loving Pakistani to raise their voice powerfully, so that the message reaches the terrorists and the rulers of Pakistan.

I sincerely pray to God that Pakistan name become synonymous with Knowledge, wisdom, prosperity, tolerance and peace. Actually the real Pakistan image is Peace and Love. But these handful of Terrorists are giving a bad name to your country worldwide. Please eliminate them before they eliminate your country.

Exploit the Americans your best ally, though they should not be trusted fully.
There is no difference between you and us. We are the children of the same god. Survival of Pakistan is very much important for all countires in south Asia, particularly for India.

If you think that I am intruding in your country affairs, my sincere apologies. All I want you to know, We love you so much and each Pakistani’s life is precious and these terrorists do not have any business to take it except God.

With Love from India
Prasad

I think Pakistan Government is not serious in ending this terrorism Saga. For how long the innocent people will sacrifice their lives. Its high time now that Government should take all the measures which include proper planning, funding for security & involving all the stake holders including public awareness. At present Government is not focused on real job & failed so far to overcome these challenges. I think the present Government doesn’t have a good team who can take the nation along with them to fight against this menace. You need a leader who come upfront & lead you by example. The day Pakistan Nation find such leader, to find a solution for such challenges will not be an issue at all !!! God Bless Pakistan.

When we have deployed hundreds and thousands of law enforcing agency personal to just protect the politicians, this is bound to happen.
Moreover, we are still in the state of denial that “EVERYTHING IS ALRIGHT”.
No its not alright, we need truthfulness, honesty and sincerity in our ranks. Our politicians are the ones mostly responsible for this loss of life and instability in our region. They always are pulling the nation in different direction, thus giving a chance for miscreants to do their thing.
It is high time that we wake up and face the reality, if we dont, we may have a different flag flying in our governer houses.

We don’t know our enemy, when we as a nation will try to know our enemy on a collective level then such incidents can be controlled, which can never be controlled by govt departments only.

Our elected politicians need to reduce their unending egos and release our poor police forces from being protocol politics to doing what they are HIRED to do – protect civilian life, property, and justice.

Shame on them all! Hire guards if you are so paranoid.

Traffic police is there to EASE traffic, not block it when politicians want to travel.
Security police is there to PROTECT US, not them.

And yes, it is a ‘them’ and ‘us’. We the people have nothing in common with ‘them’ the leaders.

The next time you are in a protocol traffic block, I urge you all to honk those horns depend on it – they should at least know we are not passive recipients of their will and power. We are pissed off.

Let them do their job, and the security will improve. Release them.

what’s happening/happened in lahore is the after effects of what’s happening in the country at wide scale.

Solution: Pull the plug on extremists and separate religion from state.

in our country who is safe? why our leaders can not reach the rout cause of these issues why they keep silent after few days? are they not able enough to lead this nations in a better way plz be sincer with this nation

Hi, i am an Indian. and this was the first time i visited any pakistani website. What took me by surprise was the similarity of people’s reaction in both side of the border. After the recent Mumbai attacks, blogger came out with a furor in India.. some blamed our security forces, many blamed Pakistani military outfits and a few blamed Hindu religious extremism and religious Zionism here in our own country behind instigating such attacks. Today when Lahore is burning, its the same kind of response in Pakistan that has left me baffled. The blame game carries on.
What concerns me is that, fortunately or unfortunately we are neighbors and nothing can change that fact. If there is a fight going on at my next door I won’t be able to sleep in peace. What I sincerely hope is that pakistan as well as India will give peace that chance.

We need to understand conspricy is hatched againts Pakistan, they all preparing grounds for attacking Pakistan. Please be united… let their dream to be a dream only..

Peace in Afganistan is related to peace in Pakistan. Peace in Pakistan is related to peace in India and so forth. Peace or hatred can not be stopped by barbed wires , political boundaries. Intelligensia of Pakistan been busy making medicines from poison of hatred.
Nub hatred in root. Stop paying lip service to love and peace. Do something for it on individual level. Love is infectious. Spread love and peace.

Eeman, Pakistan is facing present condition with last 8 years only, but foundation is very old.

the problem with Pakistani intelligence is that they consider kashmiri fighters, Taliban and Al-qaida, completly different.

they may be little different in their short term goal, but long term goal is same.

that’s why they have been mixed up now, as time is going on. it has been very difficult to discriminate terrorists and extremists in Pakistan now.

it can be seen by the sympathy of some Pakistanis towards Taliban. but Taliban has not done anything for betterment of Pakistan in any modern field.

We(Pakistan) don´t need foreign powers to meddle into our countrys affairs. We(Pakistan) need a government being competent enough to take independent decisions and a government being bold enough to be accountable for its failures.

Neither the sitting government or the opposition are our country´s true representants. All of them sets their personal agenda above the agenda of Pakistan. Expecting anything from them is naive if not stupid to think of.

1. Stop blaming the Indians
2. Start to look at yourselves to find solutions
3. Stop playing the victim and blame the whole world but yourselves.
4. Stop the ISI covert support to extremists.

If you are really really serious about it- and only if you are really really serious

THEN
1) remove the loud speakers from the minarettes

2)muffle your Tak Tak ’s on the roads

3) Kill the crows that spread garbage all over.

Then perhaps your minds will work again and find a solution free of dictation from petro-dollar America.

Dear World,

United we win/ divided we fall.
The Taliban are uneducated – they cannot interpret even small Surah’s of the Qu’ran.
And foreigners who are hiding cannot go back to Yemen or Egypt because they will
Get defeated. We need religious leaders to give true fatwa’s that means suicide equals
Hell. The Taliban are an organized gang that deals in drugs and cannot read or write
Except have memorized the Qu’ran without the meaning- sad but true.

I think there is no accountability in Pakistans Police, ISI, Army or even government. These kind of shamefull attacks occure on weekly basis and these people are busy condemning them. I think police chief of Lahore should be fired and so should be Rehman Malik. They have to take responsibility for their incompetance. The chief minister and home minister of Maharashtra and Home Minister of India all resigned/fired after the mumbai attacks and police commissioners are under investigation.

Two steps to end terrorism.
- Kick US and its agent rulers out of this region. Truly, terrorism was rare before US entered this region
- Replace this pro elite, anti poor and unjust system called democracy and replace it with a just system like the caliphate.

Its a tragedy.I wish Pakistan had realised is much earlier the implications by siding with USA.
Now, it appears to be rather late but still requires attention but with a risk.
Govt to negotiate with the redicals and find out what they want.If their condition is for Pakistan to withdraw from supporting USA in Afganistan,Pakistan should immidiately decide accordingly,but if they have other motives eg talibanisation,then it will be difficult for the entire country to accept this.Too complex.In this case war is the only solution till victory

Dear friends
The events in Pakistan make us very nervous. The events ara taking place very close to India.

Pakistan must do the followings

1) Change the curriculam of your madrassas
2) Develop family values so that people like Mohd Ajmal Kasab are not bain washed
3) Have faith in democracy
4) Do not allow Military / ISI to dictate your country’s future. Let them take care of country’s defence
5) Please don’t be in denial. Seeing some of the debates on Pakistan TV channels makes you laugh. Terrorism is a serious issue which emanates from Pakistan. Please take a look at all the terrorists activities around the world and Pakistani nationals would be involved in at least 60 to 70% of them
6) Please develop equal and friendly relationship with India. Kashmir will never be solved through the export of terror as a state policy
7) Please have actual estimate of your strengths and weaknesses and work on reducing your weaknesses.
I wish Pakistan well

The first step has to be an acknowledgement of the problem. Many people still seem to believe in conspiracy theories blaming the Americans, Israelis, Indians etc. for the problem. They seem to have this idea in their mind that everything wrong in pakistan is down to everyone other than them.

Get rid of the soft spot in their hearts for religious extremists, even if they are fighting causes they support. Terrorising and killing innocents are wrong. Full stop – no ifs and buts.

There are NO good terrorist.. If the zealots are encouraged, whatever be the cause, at some point of time they’ll come and bite you.

I just read that some of the leader have already blamed India RAW for this incident too. What happened to Lahore report on the player event? Is it settling somewhere in the dust already. Let me give you simple solution
1. Give good education so that people can find job and work for a better life.
2. Remove all the stupid politician in your country as much as I wish for India.
3. Make everyone accountable.

Eeman (March 30th, 2009 at 3:46 pm) sums it all up perfectly:” …… situation Pakistan is experiencing today is just 8 years old since the 9/11 and Bush’s ‘War on Terror’. We were living in Lahore and rest of the Pakistan peacefully despite having Jehadis and all relgious schools around.”

U.S.A., please leave our region, so we could get our lives back!

I believe and would request people of Pakistan and especially in Punjab to help institutions tracing out the signs of terrorists and extremists in the suburbs and within the congested areas tofacilitate
public institutions take action accordingly.

We all are in danger and let us awaken our masses to stand as firm rock against these terrorists.

Dear my country fellows,

We are the biggest enemy of our country, do not blame anybody such as Indians and Israelis etc etc the blame game should be stopped, we are greedy for money, we are ready to do everything and anything do not bring in religion it is a separate subject. Religion does not fill the hunger in people’s stomachs.

We all should be honest with our motherland and so we should not discriminate between us (Punjabi – Pathan – Baluchi – Sindhi etc etc) we should all be true nationalists (Pakistani).

Why blame the Indians everytime? I am an Englishman, watching this unfortunate series of events from far. It seems that the Pakistani people are themselves responsible for this situation.
Why don’t you join the world community in Afghanistan to increase your influence by way of creative/developmental works? Are you not capable enough for that? The only way you know to influence someone else is by terrorism or supporting/ joining hands with terrorists?

I am in serious shock and i believe we are the victims of the so called jihadees in the 80s. Hence as one reader wrote, have the army and paramailitary forces always on the check inside the country. Also have a masive cleanup of the tribal areas (use force to the maximum) to get rid of the anti Pakistan elements at all. Even use heavy bombings and clean Pakistan.

Religious extremism has deeply rooted in our society. For the last three decdades, these religious constituencies worked intelligently and reached to the grqass roots. Their outreach programs deeply entered in our homes through women darses and academies. The time has come to work on the media and change public thought process, please ignore religious maulvis on tv media, avoid them if you want to save your generations. Revisit islam and fiqah and work to be compatible with other religions of the world. please try to see these madrassas and their mushroom growth. Please have legislators pass legislation to review the policy on madrassahs, bring them at par with other institutions.

Please dosto, time has come, it is dangerous for your generations. Eliminate these extremistws, believe it, it is your war. Let Punjabi Feudals leave their old political feudal war. The new world is their, if they donot change, they will also be eliminated.

Letus bring harmoney and let u educate our masses that this religious extremism is dangerous. Our institutions must be strengthened, and if today police is weakened, then the next attack will be on armed forces an there are many people within the army who are also very religiously believe what the terrorists are upto. Let our army think about it, clean their house a well. Send these religious institutions and those who do accept todays challenges to Siberia for 30 years. Let us clean our house.

An appeal to media, let us work for our country,let us devote ourselves to say something openly against this extremists agenda. Country cannot be run and people of Pakistan would not accept imposed fiqah……all others inclding mushaikhs are scared now and some of them have been hijacked by top brass leaders outside the rings of these institutions. Pleae try to understand anti-west policy would kill you all the whole country will be devastated.

Media people…Please avoid bringing these so called religious scholars on TV. Please ignore them for some time. Ban on loudspeakers, clean the madrasses, have look at these madrassahs in Punjab and Sind. These are nurseries and sancturies where the dangerous mosquitoes are breeding. You wil all die with malaria of relgion extremisim. Let us help and support our institutions to grow Let us all work together to strengthen our institutions. If our legislators do not work, let us have another long March…Long March against extremism, long march against rigidity longmarch against those who do not want change to become coexistant tolerant society.

Let us all, students excluding rigid groups,
intelligentia, scholars, socialists, poets and all those who want to make this country their own country, who wanted to be paatriots. Let all other provinces sit together and Have Long March Against Extremisim.

Mr. Aitzaz Ahsan,,,,,,you are the future leader of this country,,,let you organize the groups to have a Long March against Terroriz and Socializm. Let us have a strong Long March against all those who wnted status guo.

This is a very sad situation in Pakistan. It is turning into another Iraq now. Every week terrorists attacks are taking place if not everyday. My deepest condolences to the family members of those innocents who have died in today’s attack on Loahore. Its high time for Pakistan to mend its ways now and act tough against terrorism. In my opinion they must do the following to curb terrorism in their own country and the world:
1. Shut down all Madarsas.
2. Stop ISI and army from supporting terrorism of any nature.
3. Shut down all terrorists training camps running in Pakistan.
4. Cooperate with other countries in eliminating terrorists from Pakistan.
5. Utilize funds received from US and other countries on welfare schemes and employment generation.

I hope and pray to God from across the border that some day terrorism will be eliminated from Pakistan and the entire world will live with peace of mind.

The Pakistan government and citizens should focus on core issues of education and social economic development rather than wasting tiime and trillions in waging war.

This is ground the reality that our law enforcing agencies are ill trained, under qualified,under paid and less equipped. Expecting miracles from them is not fair. Being Pakistanis we should come out of dreams and accept this reality that we are being protected by those who themselves are not safe.

Our poilce is trained to serve the VIPs only and they are not trained professionally to keep themselves well prepared to face more sophisticated and trained enemy.

Lets hope that our present government take positive and concrete steps to save our country.

it indeed sad to see whats happening in pak but the onus lies on them that inspite of all this so many terrorist camps are still florishing in pak and defaming the beautiful religion islam in name of jihad. The pak govt should realise you need to act fast by actually shutting down these terrrorists shops

It is a pity some Pakistanis feel that intereference from Indians or people from abroad is the root cause of their troubles. What they( those few) fail to understand is that the ENEMY is within. Most Indians are as much concerned as Pakistanis are, that the monster of terrorism will devour all around us Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis, Afghans. Terrorists are only interested in making their power base stronger and enrich themselves. Terrorists will in the end destroy themselves also.
Unless Pakistan as a nation does not wake up and put emphasis on self education (key to progress)and help themselves, surely they will come to a bitter end and so will people around them. After all this, whether Kashmir is a part of Pakistan or India or an Independent entity, will not matter.

That’s easy. Pull out of America’s war.

I am from India and this is really heart breaking news. Hundreads of guys have joined the police force to serve the country of Pakistan and look what happened. There is no protection for those poor souls. What in the name these extremists are doing? My best friend if a muslim and i visit their house almost every other day. So, i know this is not about religion. Why in the world, these Talibans and Al-Qeadas are killing Muslims community as well? When would Pakistan govt. wake up and see the reality? These islamic extremists are not doing any favour to the Islam. They are just using this “Jeehadi” brand to kill innocents irrespective of religions. Unless people in Intelligence are corrupted, i dont believe militants can operate so freely in the country. It’s really sadding to see all this.

In my view, those who are blaming Islamic sects for this is not true.
We need loyal and trustworthy political leaders. It can be remorsefully and with confidence say that no political leader has interest in Pakistan, instead their own agenda. The proof of this statement is the one year progress and battle of political governments in all over the country.
2nd thing we need strong and trustworthy judiciary. In our country if for sometime you kept this type of terrorism onside, and see the law and order in the country with reference to robbery, dacoit, we can say that there is no law and order in the country.

Dear Sir/Madam,
Lahore and for that matter Pakistan will only be safe once we have the courage to admit our problems. I would like to say to all Pakistanis, please wake up and call this atrocity what it is. Please stop trying to find a foreign hand; please understand that this is our war. We are under attack from our own. These people, who in Waziristan and SWAT leave hanging from the trees the bodies of their victims, are our own callous murderers.
The frequent nature of these attacks does not make them any less reprehensible. These people who on one day blow a mosque full of worshippers in Pakhtunkhwa and the next day attack the very heart of Pakistan are our own people. Please admit our faults, please look at the events with open eyes, please call spade a spade and stop tying to hide behind the stupidity of “Muslims can’t do this kind of thing”. Well, they can and they are.
It is no longer possible to stay silent and see that amongst our own, the people we know, there are those who come up with conspiracy theories for everything, look for American hand in everything, and look for excuses for our own failures.
I ask people like Imran Khan (I like him and want him as our next leader), to finally give up the charade of this business of being “at war with our own people”. No sir, we are not at war with our own people as these people want to make Pakistan a Stone Age country, they want our sisters, daughters and mothers to get imprisoned in their homes.
This is not Islam, Islam teach us humility, love and compassion for fellow human beings, Islam tell us to respect, women, elder and fruit trees even when at war. Let’s call these people what they are, they are our fascists who want a totalitarian version of their own perverted view of Islam to subjugate the free people of Pakistan.

Please speak up, please…

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Very strange that the Usual Conspiracy thoeries pointing to India/US/West/Israel didn`t pop up in any of these comments above. Where did all these conspiracy theorists go?

Dear Sir,
Why do talk of securing Lahore only ? Whole of South Asia needs to be secured. Securing Lahore cannot be a standalone solution. The first step should be to reform the education itself. You cannot create a civil society based on hatred. I have only goodwill towards the common pakistani. They deserve a better deal than what they are getting now.

It’s ironic to see Indians connecting every single attack with Jihad and other religious doctrines. The situation Pakistan is experiencing today is just 8 years old since the 9/11 and Bush’s ‘War on Terror’. We were living in Lahore and rest of the Pakistan peacefully despite having Jehadis and all relgious schools around.

Nadeem pointed out the possibility of hidden enemy of pakistan.
india is the open enemy for many pakistanis. then who is hidden?
it may be Taliban, Kashmir based organization like LeT or JeM.
these organizations have not given any person,who has contribute in the progress of Pakistan in economics, technology or other etc.

on the other hand they are taking advantage from your weakness and imposing their narrow brand islam on pakistan.

you and we need not society, who is ready to die for nation and community but ready to live for progress and peace.

1. Send all Afghan Refugees back to Afghanistan.
2.Restrict the people of FATA to their own areas.
3. People of WAZIRISTAN should not be allowed movement outside WAZIRISTAN.
4. ORDER ALL LAW ENFORCING agencies “SHOOT TO KILL” on siting any one with a weapon.
5. Close all madaris for six months.

There is so much hatred, so much ill-will in the world now, A third world war is what is needed to eliminate the evil and bring the order. If not in 5-10 years, it bound to happen in another 40-50 years.

The prime enemy is we, us, ourselves!!

We are grouped into extremes that do not have to be led astray – we do it ourselves: affluence v/s poverty
ignorance v/s common sense
arrogance v/s education

Obedience of law and fear of punishment are the only way to secure ourselves and our cities.

What are we waiting for??
We must bring out all law enforcement resources NOW – including army, rangers, police and whatever else we have at our disposal.

We must declare War against the invisible enemies – both physical, mental, and spiritual – and then really crack down hard!!

I think, Pakistan wholly can’t be secure without a border wall/fence, and strict border monitoring. Strict monitoring shall also include Railway passage, Airports and other ways of transportation between Afghan-Pakistan-India border. That can prevail such kind of incidents. Financial position of a country effects alot on its security, therefore pakistan should work on improving its financial position.

too many indians commenting here….what with that???

i believe india has her own fair share of home-grown terror/extremist groups. Just ask the Christians in Orissa!!

Any loss of life anywhere in the world is sad for humanity.

We should all work together to crush these extremist/violent elements with iron fist. And stomp them out like rats.

I live 4 km away from the academy. Heard about the attack at around 8:30. At around 10.00, I began to realize the seriousness and intensity of the attack. Hurried to pick my son from school which is hardly 2 km from the academy. The shrine of great Sufi Saint Madhoo Lal Hussain is hardly 2 km away from the academy. Today is the third day of Lal Hussain Urs. Devotees were busy going towards his shrine, thronging the already congested G.T.Road and oblivious of the mayhem carried out 2 km away. I thought about the message of peace and universal brotherhood which Lal Hussain preached in this city of saints and gardens.

I dont know why we failed to stop the violation and plunder of our great city. Violation of its traditions of hospitality and tolerance. I can not figure out why we continue to tolerate these violater and plunderers amongst us. Sitting on the pulpits of bone and flesh, they continue to spread their message of hate and bigotry. Tonight I am going to the shrine of Lal Hussain to lit “chiraghs and diyas” for all the innocent blood that was spilled. I will sit amongst my brothers to drink bhang, smoke pot and shout a rebel yell in defiance of the mullahs of this land.

I feel sad for the ordinary human beings suffering so much in Pakistan in these really hard times.To save lives in the future,Pakistan must close ALL madrasas forthwith.They are the breeding grounds for spreading hatred,not any useful knowledge.In those premises,government must open proper schools with mid-day meals just like in India.They can find money if they cut defence spending and funding cross-border activities.India and Pakistan face similar problem : massive poverty but huge defence expenditure.I consider ALL religions and their preachers humbug.They spread fear to increase their influence.I lead a better life without any belief in any God but I love ALL human beings.

I hope Pakistanis find the courage to face the stark facts and force the government to act.

I think we should give control to Taliban to govern us. Believe me it would be peaceful.

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It is fact that whole Pakistan is on stake and severe threat of Islamist Militants. But now the war is between police and terrorist’s supporters. Let us count total number of policemen,number of policemen killed in terrorist attacks and total expenditures on police and then let count number of Armymen and personals in secrete agencies, total number killed and total expenditures on secrete agencies in Pakistan. Why the security agencies are failed to control entry of foreign militants in Pakistan.

The police of Pakistan is always on stake and severe threat. In future the retire officers of Police department will also write books like “fight between Army agencies and Police”. So let the civil society, self-independent judiciary,religious political factions and lawyers once again should come on streets against Usama Ladin and his allies terrorists who are killing 100 innocents poor Muslim per day in Pakistan.

i m not pakistani. but i have observed from internet that most of the pakistanis give the priority to issue like kashmir,Palestine and israel over economy and democracy.

they don’t want to see any wrong in extremist organization formed on the name of IoK(which is not part of Pakistan so far).

Pakistan has to change their priority and put issue of progress and liberalization on top.
all problems will be solved automatically.

Concerned information is not enough. Our officials must have taken useful steps to prevent these kind of threats.

I agree with Mohsin –we need to divert more resources towards proper security apparatus.

Karachi is heavily under CCTV surveillance. Same should happen in Lahore (and Peshawar also).

These people who want to attack our Pakistan will never win. They are all sick minded people with no soul. We must unite and combat this threat together.

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

Why Lahore, our whole country bleeds and our top management sits. We donot have a clear understanding of what the danger is and how to handle it. It is high time for us to realize that our law enforcement and judiciary have to be strong and a deterrent force which can handle all critical situation. It is high time for the top police officials to take stock of the situation and instead of playing in the hands of the political elite concentrate on their core profession of law enforcement.

We need to have proper forensic setup which we lack, we need to have counter terrorism training and that through professional trainers may be from US UK or any other country who are best of the best.

It is time to wake up and put in place people who know their job not people who know only how to praise their political heads who are headless them self, like get a true anti terror expert who masters in national security not some one who has been an inspector for god sake……….

It is time that the people of Pakistan realised that the prime enemy facing Pakistan is the Taliban. They can not keep blaming the Americans; it were the muslims whos pulled the triggers on the innocent muslims. Not until the people get rid off the soft spot thay have for these depraved religious zealots, the slow death of Pakistan is inevitable.
As a first measure, we must admit that it is our own problem and will not go away simpliy if the Americans leave the region (Swat is an example). Secondly, we must close down all madrassas and any imam or preacher that advocates hatred of others must be dealt with sternly. Thirdly, there must be national campaign to discredit the teachings of the Talibans and their like minded collaborators in civil and political life.

The only possible solution for Pakistan at this time is to seal all its borders. Including the ones with Afghanistan and Iran. Then Ban the use of Guns. Punish anyone who is found with a gun. Train all the population with anti terrorism combat training. Training, awareness and education is the only way forward at the moment. For the terrorist trapped in the Compound, efforts should be taken to capture them alive and then interrogated so that this ring can be effectively smashed.

The whole nation has to wake up, and transform, Allah has said, rulers reflect the nation or the nation reflects in there rulers we all know what it means. Police and paramilitary forces are few and occupied with guarding the politicians and the elite, Police are poorly paid, badly trained,ill equipped and have been selected not on merit most of the time, they know some important person who gets them in the service, In Bahrain most of the police men are from pakistan, well trained courteous, educated, polite and perform there duty well, if they were in pakistan would they be doing the same?! i doubt it?

salam
Its all started in 1970’s when our Gen Zia done collaboration with Afghans & become a slave (partner) of US to defeat Russia & all leaders after him followed his footsteps, while history has proven that all the US allies are in deep trouble, they will never to secure internally rather external threats.
It’s a chain of one-sided benefits, which start & end to secure US interests.
Aim behind current kiosk is to attain Pak’s nukes to secure Israel by claiming on media that our land is not secure enough to defend Taliban, & they will access to nuke one day, while Pakistan was never be a threat to Israel, we should learn from Iran the striving nation with threats from all corners but these threats are just from cowards, I wish our leaders should learn and break the joint venture they done to secure US by staking their own homeland.
US motive is to create kiosks and divide our nation not just mentally but physical division on land as well.

I dont know what our intelligence and the counter terrorisim organizations are doing. Also how the provinicial government can leave that important job to the larger organization. What happened to the Punjab Police’s CIA ?…..the terrorists are only a small minority, and they could very easily be taken by a good intellgience networks.

What I can not understand is why the terrorists would attack their own people, their brothers in faith.

These misguided people may think that moderate Sunnis are kafirs too.

The old saying goes “if you play with fire you are in the danger of getting burnt yourself”. The common people of Pakistan, who are the real sufferers, should now come out and tell the politicians that enough is enough. Or else they would continue to suffer.
They should clearly see the games of the Americans / Europeans (A/E)who have been supplying an unending stream of arms & ammunition to all & sundry with two primary objectives 1. To ensure cash flows to their industry and 2. To ensure that the people of South Asia remain busy in permanent conflict with each other so that the A/E do not face competition & can always have an upper hand over a community which they had once ruled.
It’s high time for the common man to rise up to the occassion and reject such politiking or else they would continue to be ruled by them, overtly or covertly.

Unfortunately, we The Pakistanis are forced to clean-up some body’s else mess. And now when we started cleaning it, the ownership/responsibility has been tagged beautifully on us as well (No More Blank Checks).

Since I have experienced travelling in-&-out of Lahore frequently in past via Train, GT Road & Motorway – I personally believe that in continuation to camera recording tradition of every BUS-rider on motorway, highway securities must make it mandatory for every traveler to go through a scrutiny process of his/her CNIC. Just like we do on Airports when leaving abroad. Anybody without CNIC – is not allowed to leave or enter any city.

Plus, people seeking work in big cities like Lahore, Faislabad, Karachi, Islamabad etc must be made to register themselves with some centralize body like NADRA (Same as AQAMA [Work Permit] is Saudia).

Hang terrorists like Masood Azhar, Lakhvi and Zarar Shah. Dismantle ISI and stop cross border terrorism in Kashmir. Make your country truly secular. Only then will fanatics stop growing in Pakistan. Problem is that you guys create religious fanatics by inculcating hardcore religious propoganda since childhood. They grow up and attack using the same venom. Time to change mindset of a nation I say.

I think this is not a matter only for Lahore; it’s a matter of whole country. In my opinion, this is a game between some foreign countries. And Pakistan has a play ground. There are some open friends and hidden enemies for our country. First we analyze, who need these things, and then we will be capable to tackle it.

Why just Lahore? Isn’t Pakistan at threat here? The civil society of Pakistan has to come together and put pressure on the government to a) dismantle the Jihadi infrastructure b) education at Madrasas c) funding of the Madrasas d) dismantling of the nexus between the Talibani and local Pakistani sympathizers e) create a consensus between ALL political parties on how to combat terrorism

Dear Sir / Madam

Its extreamly bad news for whole humanity.
If you want to save pakistan,it should first clean its house by punishing extrimists.. pakistan’s actual enemy is not outside the border but cultivated in its own house… hope pakistan will understand its real enimies and south asia will get peace!!

Our Sympathies are with the ordinary citizens of Pakistan. Your politicians are taking you for a ride.
When it comes to India, they claim that they are strong enough to give a fitting reply and surrender to Taliban at the same time.

Why Lahore? Killing in Karachi, NWFP and Quetta does not make headings any more!! Lahore Does!!
The attackers want to draw attention to something. Lets not guess and assume that certain people, of certain area, of certain ideology are behind the killing. No human being kills unless he/she is driven to it. It is governments duty to carryout the analysis, take appropriate actions and guard lifes of citizens of Pakistan.

It is really shameful series of attacks are taking place every day in our country where innocent civilians are targetted by atrocious militants who have no agenda except fighting and killing innocent persons. The crux of the issue is religious leaders who spread hatred and venom and interpret islam in the hardest version.
Lahore and Punjab has rich cultural heitage and following sufism for centuries which make way for its peaceful and harmonious existence. People here are totally averse to the hardcore islam and wish to live amicably with others.
Many of friends in UK wondered how come woman from Lahore and other parts of Punjab are so modern,educated,intellectual and flexible. I proudly explained them about our heritage and custom. They were shocked about our progressive way of life.
But the recent events in Lahore enlighten the veracity of perilious designs of radical forces who wish to spoil the tranquility.These forces need to be quelled without mercy and quenched from the scene in order to ensure we are not ensnared by these vicious forces.

I think Lahore can only be saved through proper attention by our government police and through other stake holder.First of all we shoul check all exit and entry point of Lahore on which commando type force which should have latest training and equipments like Dogs scanner which can detect explosive at all exit and entry point of lahore.And in the city itself there must also be check point with same commando of highly tranined people be kept and check all people after checking there identity to the main roads of lahore people be asked to come on roads ten to fifteen min checking time including to their office timing and above all this a compaign be launched throuhg highly devoted and noble people commision to clean lahore from weapons as we have seen the quantity of weapons people have in lahore at the event of Basant.

We need to devise a strategy to gurantee life and security for every pakistani. THe Lahore Case is probably the result of mushroom growth of Saudi funded madassas belonging to a particular sect. These madrassas, both towards south and north of Lahore along the G.T. Road., are most likely the nests of these terrorists so lovingly called the “Punjabi Talibans” by our very media. The only way out of this quagmire is to stop the state level, local and international spnsorships of these madrassas and a stern uncompromising approach be adapted. Also, an across the board action be carried out to purge the public and private educational institutes of this menance. Punjabis and more specifically the Lahoris must now realize what this” jihad ” is all about.

The question is wrong. We shouldn’t just want to secure Punjab. We should want to secure the whole of Pakistan against terrorists. And this will be possible only when everyone has adequate resources and opportunities for economic and social development. You can put up all the barricades you want, and man every checkpoint with armed guards, and these people will still be there. Stop providing the terror cells with the cannon fodder they use, and half your problem will be solved.
The other half can only be solved by getting your own house in order. Pakistan’s administration has to wake up from the Afghan Jihad hangover that gave them delusions of grandeur. We’re s small country trying to survive in adverse conditions; stop playing the part of the foot-soldier of other powers’ great games, and mend your fences both internally and externally.

My prayers go with the victims of this cowardly terror attck on Lahor police acadamy. May God accept them in heaven who have died and give them courage to fight back who have survived. Most of us, here in India are thinking that ordinary Pakistani citizens are paying their lives for their government’s so-called Stratigic Assets.

Pakistan means land of peace.

Yet, it has turned out to be a land exporting terrorism and a victim of terrorism.

Neither giving peace to others nor at peace with itself.

It is high time to rethink what is essentially important to Pakistan – Peace and Prosperity or Jihadi terrorism…?

This is a gruesome strike. It goes out to show the might of militancy in our country. They can roam free and attack and kill at will. The time is right to change the mindset of the nation, we dont want to end up like another Iraq.

We need to draw out a strategy to eradicate this poison thats spreading across all cities. Our idealogy should stay as Pakistanis , we do not kill in the name of Islam or sympathise with the ones who do so.

United we should stand and face these threats , which we can scare off if minds think alike , divided we shall fall.

Hi,

I see Pakistan turning to another Iraq, THE FATE Doesn’t LOOK MUCH DIFFERENT THEN IRAQ

FIRST face Anti Pakistan elements are first attacking Pakistan constitution creating instability every way possible,
But I am so afraid losing my great nation.
It really hurts seeing our beautiful nation in this state
I know we don’t have perfect country but I love my people and my country

Brother from New Zealand

I am sorry to say but when I read comments posted here by majority of the Indian readers, I cannot help but conclude that Indians have an axe to grind…

How, as Pakistani, do we counter this? My suggestions:
a. Be patriotic, from the common people to the President, i.e., we must NOT put ourselves for auction before internal or external bidders; be incorruptible!
b. Let institutions play their role above personal aspirations, i.e., have the President behave as the President, the Prime Minister as the PM and the Parliament as the Parliament.
This will strengthen institutions and help them focus on their responsibilities towards people and the country.
People need food, utilities, education, jobs and personal safety.
c. Provide training and equipment to our security forces and intelligence personnel to be able to fight the forces of tyranny effectively, protect the public and our borders.

As for how Lahore can be secured? This is a flawed question. It should be within a national context rather than being specific to a single city. While Lahore is definitely a high target for terrorist for its cultural symbolism and centre of attraction, there are other parts of the country that face similar problems.

For starters, the Rahman Malik – Salman Taseer duo with Zardari is detrimental for our country. They have very taken little action to prove that they are competent to hold the positions that they are at.

There is a serious lack of coordination between our intelligence agencies and law enforcement authorities. It seems they are on different planets. When Sri Lankan team was attacked and the attackers fled, what was done to find them and what were the findings, if any. It seems Long March was a much more important issue than national security.

Karachi has implemented a 24 hr camera surveillance system that is available to local law enforcement agencies as well, that covers most of the major roads and arteries of the city, and it is being expanded further. Lahore should have such a system as well to atleast provide some level of vigilance.

last month some culperts attacked on art festival and sirlankan cricket team and now early morning on 30 march some miscreant hijack police traning station lahore.first of all many question arisen here .if pakistan security forces has been failed to stop such activtivies or present government showing to international community that pakistan itself victim of terrosism

Lahore needs a new police which should be equiped with latest weapons and technology for the investigation and other fields related with this the current police is lazy and inefficient they can only tease general public on roads and get some money in return. They can not do anything better than this.

I live in Athens. Sad to see every day explosions / killings of innocent lives. But there is a saying ” if you feed the snake at home, it will bite you and poison you one day ” Pakistan has to stop sponsoring terrorist organisations. Lets be frank, grow up and destroy all the unwanted elements, then Pakistan will be saved

Why innocent people are being target by these people, If they have dare then why they are not fighting with forces openly. Stop this bloody game of HIDE AND SEEK.

Hi,
I am a first time blogger to this site. I dont understand one thing that we all the know the problem and solution too. but we dont do anything, it means fault is in us.
Here the topic is itself irrevelant, how can u ask to save Lahore ( The cultural Heritage of Pakistan ) if 1/2 of Pakistan is burning. Pakistani Officials will not accept their mistake and will simply point fingers on others. and more over I think its the fault of Pakistani people that they have choosen such politicians ( again and again ). There is scene in movie ” The Day after Tommorow “, where the Hero of the movie tries to burns BOOKS in order to keey himself warm, then the people around him criticise him for burning BOOKS ( Source of knowledge ) then that actor says the knowledge is of no use if we dont apply it. Same case is there in Pakistan, people — they know the problem, but they dont take a firm action against it.

God bless the people who have been killed in this attack. Please wake up now…

These kinds of attacks are not new for us. We are bearing the fruit of 1.5 billion dollars which are pledged by US government to make the cost of our thousands of military and civilians lives. America has found our lives the cheapest ones on the surface of earth. They have found Pakistan as a forest to prey human lives. Where a shooter preys and pays royalty to the government same is happening over here.

Pakistan today needs heroes who can act selflessly for Pakistan and eliminate first the scourge of corruption which is the feeder of terrorism. National heroes (they can be ordinary men or women) must inculcate the habit of scientific education amongst children of their locality without bias against anyone except the social evils. Pakistan first should be the slogan on everybody’s lips and spirits. Shun the path leading to division and subjugation. Be a beacon to others to follow in the righteous path, not burdened by the old stigmas and dogmas. Become capable to take Pakistan to the forefront of technology and versatility. Only then Pakistan can shine with all its citizens holding their heads high. Go for it.

Dear Sir,

Resolving disputes and making Lahore or Pakistan a safe place by the Pakistani Government is out of question. Reasons:
Hardcore Elements, some of which might be in the Pakistani Government, dont want to realize that nothing is going to be gained by murdering fellow human beings be it Muslims or Pakistanis or non muslims and that they have to give up their policy of supporting this Jihadi Culture.

It is a time to take a back seat and think on what Pakistan is doing and what is good in the interest of Pakistan.

A Terorist is a Terorist and he do not have any religon. We should be closing down all the terorist camps or this demon is surely going to eat all of us.

In case if we do not have sufficient skills in this then we should be taking help of any other country in the world including India.

Otherwise I am sure we soon will be in a situation where Afghanistan is currently.

Dear Sir
It is better to say how save Pakistan not only Lahore secondly I want to mention you that Pakistan ISI have done in Afghanistan as that country is the land of Shohada and Salehin
It is the revenge of Allah that now happened in Pakistan as soon as Pakistan stop its intervention in Afghanistan the peace will come to Pakistan soon Insha Allah

coming over to the answer to the question as to how Lahore can be secured against terrorist attacks, i would like to say that we are no less than anybody when it comes to intelligence…..the thing that is required is the ultimate effort in utilising our resources which include we ourselves as well!! all of us must realise that we are in a state of war aginst this evil…so lets get united like we did when it came to the restoration of judiciary!!! the first and foremost effort towards all this must be the come-back of political government by lifting the governer’s rule in the province.

Dear Friends in Pakistan,

Sorry for the real worst situation out there. Ppl out here are really feeling bad for the neighbour nation. innocent citizens .. brave police personnel are losing life.
Educated people. wake up.. give your children .. a secure nation to grow .. live and prosper.
Forget abt politics.. be a self motivator..
work with community fellow ppl and educate them to wage war against terrorism.. !!
what is this jihad…. god has created us to live and let live..
muslims.. hindus.. christians..jews ..
what difference it will make..when you kill your fellow human beings…

build a nation…mates…
no one this world feels that pakistan is safe nation…

Good fences make good neighbours

–Robert Frost

coming over to the answer to the question as to how Lahore can be secured against terrorist attacks, i would like to say that we are no less than anybody when it comes to intelligence…..the thing that is required is the ultimate effort in utilising our resources which include we ourselves as well!! all of us must realise that we are in a state of war against this evil…so lets get united like we did when it came to the restoration of judiciary!!! the effort towards all this must be the come-back of political government by lifting the governer’s rule in the province!!!

We need to take preparedness more seriously. We are at war against these people who want to harm us. I personally think there is a lot of meddling going on by certain ‘nearby’ countries –which want Pakistan to suffer. But we also have people inside of our country who are willing to disturb peace of their own country.

This must stop. We must boost the capabilities of our police intelligence. It is ironic that they hit a police academy. This should be a clear message that in future we shall not back down. Our police must be prepared to deal with these scum.

Mashallah we have a beautiful country. But we must unite during these difficult times. Such attacks were unheard of in the past –especially Lahore.

It is time to differentiate between friend and foe. It is time for every individual to assume the role. Keep your eyes open, and remain vigilant. But dont ever lose faith. Work hard for the country. United we stand.

Death to all the enemies and ill-wishers of Pakistan.

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD.
May Allah protect us and our country.

The answer is not simple but among other important tasks the main should be to allow the security forces do their work especially the police. Instead of bringing politically motivated heads, we need professional people.

Another important thing is the political stability. If you allow the elected people to work, they have a responsibility and now the chosen people only have to please their masters and they have no responsibility towards people. So let the political governments do their jobs but keep the politics away from the professionalism.

Moreover, intelligence should be the main weapon in this kind of war and police and other security agencies should be trained to meet these kinds of situations as well as they should be provided with modern search, surveillance and fighting equipments.

Dear All,
the best thing for this region would be pakistan and india coming to some agreement over kashmir…
and less of both the armies are needed at the borders.
which in turn can be used in a much more proactive way against these crazy people.

Govt. of pakistan as well as people of Pakistan should understand and admit the fact that these mindless demons, whose only aim is to kill the normal people of Pakistan and India are terrorists and not preachers (clerics) of religion. So, protest them with full force and unrest till they vanish from your country, from your mind and from your society. These evil force are not at all good for any civilised society. Think, whether they follow the preaches of their faith. No they don’t. In the name of Jehad they are just doing of their minds. They enjoy the power of guns. They terrorise people and this satisfy them as they feel they are the supreme powers even Govts, countries can not fight with them. And somehow this is a truth unless people will stop sympathizing with these monsters or they will gulp not You and us but whole of humanity.

So, just do this favour to the mankind by not supporting their cause and remain vigilant to identify these evil of the society. Don’t afraid and let not them take over our world.

Situation in Pakistan seems completely out of control. Just on Friday, a mosque in NWFP was blown to pieces while it was crowded with worshippers. The attack on Sri Lankan cricket team and now this. Considering that Pakistan is a nation with nuclear missiles, the rest of the world is totally concerned about the situation, worried whether Pakistan could even survive as a sovereign nation.

Firstly, the issue is Pakistan wide. If we look at it from a strictly metropolitan angle then it will not be resolved and any steps taken would merely be preventative and not cure the issue.

Secondly, Lahore is the only major city in Pakistan that due to a peaceful recent past is not properly manned with security forces. Hence the easy target.

I guess, after all this, Pakistanis and our agencies should realize that tolerance and non violence are the way to go. We need to change our curricula to stop teaching hate and bigotry to our youth, it adds up, compartmentalizes and is eventually converted into our lives in this manner.

I would partially agree with Mr. Omar but like to add that public opinion in Punjab with regards to the war on terror is not very clear. This is because of the leadership of Punjab, which constitutes one major political party of the country, hasn’t taken the clear stance in this regard. In Punjab most people are still thinking that this is not their war. But what they failed to realized is that they have to fight, whether to Al Qaeda/Taliban or the west. Both are bends upon to fight their war on Pakistan’s soil. Cant we see??? the attackers are in the streets as well as in the skies of Pakistan but we as a nation are in deep slumber and still thinking that it is not our war.

I appeal to the leadership of this poor country to set-aside their differences and come up with the joint strategy to cope up the growing menace of terrorism and extremism. Sooner it would be better may be the outcome and delay will strengthen the devils.

The more these terrorists (insider or outsider) oppress on the people of pakistan, the more united the nation becomes against them.

These are the testing times for the whole nation and I am confident that the nation will emerge with more strength and be more united. A time will sure come when the demon will be identified and marginalized and then this Nation will take take its revenge and that will be far bitter and long lasting.

Need of the time is that as nation, we stick together back-to-back.

If police is unable to protect its own premises, how could it protect an ordinary citizen of Pakistan??

When the same happened in india your govt denied it and instead of punishing them your govt supported them and tried to close geo tv etc and all the medias who really gave a fair news. so better come out of the denial mode and ensure that your ISI will never repeat the same mistakes.Whenever anybody sows the seeds of inhuman things for attaining the personal benefits and vote bank they revolt back against the person one day.so this is not a big thing. better clean up your democracy, deal with the fundementalists mercilessly,and try to improve the infra structure by providing education and all the basic amenities. If these thing are not done immediately then very soon your pakistan will become like a somalia or afghanistan.

We can have a peaceful country if we abolish all our law enforcing agencies and particularly the secret/intelligence ones. I believe, these agencies, if not directly involved in most of what is happening in Pakistan (and may be outside), are totally incapable, useless and far from the capabilities that we poor Pakistani expect of them. I hope we all realize soon that the real threat is not RAW, CIA or Mosad, its our own secret agencies that will cause the maximum damage to Pakistan.

I think it’s not the matter of Lahore only… All Pakistan is suffering with same threat…. We need a powerful government instead of checking one by one as individual… Whenever some thing happens like today incident our government announce high alert after that… what is the job of Security agencies. .. To be high alert after dozens of innocent are being killed….

What is needed now is for the media and the public to put greater pressure on the government and security establishment to prevent these sort of security failures from ocurring – and recurring. That would entail an end to all the ridiculous finger-pointing at India and other ‘outside’ sources – it must be acknowledged that this problem exists within our country itself. Too long have we been in denial that these extremists are not only enemies of the ‘West’, but our enemies too. And if the media can pressurize Musharraf into stepping down and Zardari into reinstating Chaudhary Iftikhar, then it can play a vital role in jolting the higher-ups out of their current stupor.

We need to rise as nation, well over our personal strifes and interests. ‘Human Intelligence’ should be the order of the day; people fully backing the government with knowledge, wisdom, vigilance and unity, and the government assigning full support in letter and spirit to the ISI and Armed Forces of the country. The media, emissaries, diplomats and special delegations must strongly speak of Pakistan’s case in the historic perspective and present situation. The land and air passage given to India for access to Afghanistan be immediately stopped, war alert be declared, and special prayers be offered seeking blessings and help from God the All Mighty to save the honor and sovereignty of our most beloved motherland. Welfare and Sovereignty of Pakistan is of paramount importance for the world, particularly for the region and the West, take my word for this.

It would be extremely good if we ask Lashkar – e – Toiba to conduct an operation there and release the hostages. This will at least echo some voice that they were not involve in Mumbai attacks for which LeT was allegedly blamed.

Its time for the Pakistani people to show their strength. Unless the public will is strong to fight terrorism, no battle can be won. People must understand that supporting a war for any cause is ultimately going to be harmful for one and all.

Stop war against terrorism. It’s not our war. Its war imposed on us by some one else that in turn causing domestic problem by creating extremists in our motherland. Extremists can easily convince our young believers by this simple argument”Pakistan regime is fighting for crusaders against Muslims and killing them. It is anti Islamic and it’s absolute right to wage war against them”. Unfortunately the powerful elite are doing what the West wants them to do. We are destroying our own country. When I say we it means we “People, Army, politicians and even the religious groups”. It’s better to be hungry and starving that to play in the hands of other powers. People of Pakistan have the right to decide the fate of their motherland not the Obama and company

Get assistance from Israel. We are good for nothing.

I have a problem with this very topic. Why are we talking about just Lahore being secured? What about the rest of Pakistan? Has the Pakistani elite given up on the rest of Pakistan? Or is it that it just cant think beyond itself and its immediate surrounding?

I believe that the correct question to ask here is how can PAKISTAN be secured from terrorists. These events are in my opinion a result of our segmented thinking and failure to see the big picture.

Well, lets start by accepting that state has failed yet again and if recent history is of any evidence then we will see President and Primeminister’s condemnation without any concrete action, some MOLA BUKSH claims from our Interior Ministry (Specially from the Interior Advisor)and it is impossible to expect sense and restriant from the current chief executive of Punjab. Government should not be surprised to see a paradigm shift in our society where human survival instincts will drive people to cooperate at community level and disengage from state and its functions-take matters in their own hands and above all observe the policy of self reliance to survive. We may witness thousands of tiny states within state and the process will be catalyzed by the oldest instinct known to mankind; survival.

CCTV is the best solution to protect against Terrorists and their activities. Karachi and Lahore should be declared as Video Cities. All Streets and roads should have CCTV recording 24/7. Govt can’t bear the charges incurred Civilians and Multi national companies, banks and private organization should come forward and install cameras surroundings their offices/banks/residents etc. Each and every individual/company should be allotted a specific area to record the illegal activities. City Nazims will organize the campaign and should distribute the area according to the requirement. This programme is according to the solgan ” ALLAH SUB SAY BARAY HAY… ALLAH DAIKH RAHA HAY” So everything will be recorded in these cities like Angels are recording our activities which will be presented in front of Allah on Youme Aakhair.

Secondly Police and Public relations should be accelerated and an old compaign like “Police ka hay fard Madad aap ki” should be re-introduced again.

Lahore, and the whole of Pakistan, can be secured only after decimating the jihadi terrorist groups breeding within Pakistan. Until this is done, no one can be secure in Pakistan. The message for the terrorists should be: It is easy to die or kill, but very difficult to live or let live. You thing you are macho? Try living and letting others live.

Its about time that everybody realises the situation and take some action. I know most of the people reading would say what can they do? My answer is that if you can’t do anything, then you are good for nothing and destroying a nation for your children in years to come.

Pakistan is our home land. WE need to do something about it. There were no such things as terrorists before 9/11. Just because US is giving money in “aid”, these people are being created from no where to get that “aid”.

For GOD Sakes people, wake up and save our homeland.

The incompetent ‘advisor’ to the Interior Ministry, Rehman Malik, needs to resign! His premature statements on different private TV channels are humiliating for the country. He has easily jumped to conclusions even about this latest terrorist attack.

The government has to own up to the lack of security they provide to the citizens of Pakistan. They need to accept that they have failed in the provision and maintenance of basic law and order, and security.

Instead of shifting and transferring high-ranked police officials to suit their political endeavors, the government needs to appoint competent people at these posts, who are loyal to their organizations and the country, rather than those who pay their allegiance to politicians.

If you want to secure lahore of for that matter pakistan, then simply stop sponsoring terror. Get the bad ones out, maulana massod zhar, hafiz saeed, zaki ur rehman lakhvi, dawood ibrahim, Maulana fazallula, baitulla etc and publicly punish them.

Army deployed with machine guns at major city points and at govt buildings with vechiles, random inspections of traffic, all access to city must be manned by pak army to check entry/exits into city.

By stop the support for the americans, and kill every terrorist.

the question should, instead be along the lines of how ‘Pakistan’ could be secured against the terrorists attacks and not Lahore.
we should stand together under the name of ‘Pakistan’ and as ‘Pakistanis’ under all circumstances.

the institutions who are responsible for ensuring the safety of Lahore’s citizens are the same institutions who take care of Bajaur, Swat, Dir, Karachi, Muzaffarabad, Islamabad and all other areas of this country.

We can not think Lahore as an isolated target of terrorism while the whole country is going through this mayhem. Lahore can be another target, rather prime one may be, because of the living spirit of it, the rich cultural heritage that might be in contrast to the fundamentalist ideals of the other side, the financial hub the dominating province of the country etc. But how we can secure this, is a tough question. But one thing is sure that we can not secure it with the usual container and barricades approach. A detailed intelligence and vigilance by our security agencies may help but if they are allowed to do this instead of working on political mess that they are asked to do.

Dear Sirs,

Today is the right time to close down terrorist around Pakistan. Even today terrorist attacked the Police Academy and it is sad news for Pakistan and the whole World. This is a bad example that even terrorist can take over Police camp. That mean civilian government is weaker than terrorists? It is the price Pakistan is paying for spreading terrorism around the world. I am very much confident that this can be stopped when ISI close down camps in Afghanistan Border and in Kashmir. And one more thing is 100% religious schools has to be closed and children need public education like Science and Maths. So that they can find good jobs and improve the country. Fundamental religious leaders should be arrested and put in jail, if they spread hate messages to children about terrorism and jighad.

Signing agreement with US is not going to help public of Pakistan or stop terrorism. Politicians get money from US, and they build house in London and in New York. I believe high profile politicians, Army officers and ISI leaders taking money from US and put in their own pockets. For show they kill few innocent people in border. But in the intelligence is running its own own terrorist camps, so that they can get more money from US.

In Pakistan, show for the public media and people is different, real fact is different. For example 15 terrorist attacked Sri Lanka team. None of them arrested, but government says foreign elements attacked. They are trying to show the terrorists are from Afghan or from India. But the fact they are trained locally. The same terror group attacking Police academy, at least this time they will find out the terrorist from which camps.

To start peace in Pakistan, the Lashkar terrorist camps should be closed first. Otherwise even God cannot save Pakistan.

First of all clear the Home Area then gateways ie with enough security personnel and public support check each and every place in the Area ie one by one and seal the checked area and after all make tight security on the gate ways of the city, this is done and won in capital city of India, Delhi. So once you have clear the area then only need to tighten the security and checking in the gateways only…..

With all due respect, I have fundamental disagreement with your blog topic. Why are we just focusing on Lahore to be saved, isn’t the whole Pakistan burning and should we not discuss on how to save Pakistan.

If we look things into that perspective, we will have to formulate a policy at the national level instead of tackling things on adhoc basis- first and foremost agenda item should be to put professionals at the helm of affairs right from the top- As long as amateurs like Rehman Malik are leading such efforts, don’t be surprised with events like today’s.

These are mercenary groups which where funded by US and Pakistan in the 80’s not they are the hired guns for who ever is the highest bidder and we all know the Highest bidder against Pakistan is. Now coming to the points you raised, Lahore is the target because it has the least paramilitary presence as compared to other Provincial Capitals, Making the local police (easy targets) against these well trained mercenary outfits (hired by you know who). Secondly we can say that political situation is diverting the attention of the security agencies from the real problem. We should resolve the disputes as nothing should be before the interest of Pakistan and Pakistani People.

Dear Sir/Madam,
I believe Pakistan, in its haste to find “strategeic depth” in Afghanistan, has long betted on the wrong genie. Now, the genie is out of the bottle. The genie is just doing what it does best- kill.
When will Pakistan start looking at things independent of “the Indian angle”?