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		<title>By: ozzy</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/03/30/how-can-lahore-be-secured-against-terrorist-attacks/comment-page-11/#comment-1744</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ozzy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr Mohd. Sukhera it seems u have been reading too many of those pak studies books printed and authored under the dictatorship of Ziaul haq glorifying thocractic state of govt...read what Jamal said in another forum:
The Quaid did not create a country for Islam. He created a country where Muslims could protect their culture and religion without hinderance from the majority. He had clearly elaborated his vision for Pakistan after independence. He wanted Pakistan to be a secular, progressive welfare state. The mullahs who had called him a kafir, now claim ownership of his creation. Have you noticed the all pervasive expressions of Islam in Pakistan without the slightest effect on people’s morals. Jinnah was a century ahead of the so called leaders who followed him. Give Zia all the credit for the bloodshed going on now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Mohd. Sukhera it seems u have been reading too many of those pak studies books printed and authored under the dictatorship of Ziaul haq glorifying thocractic state of govt&#8230;read what Jamal said in another forum:<br />
The Quaid did not create a country for Islam. He created a country where Muslims could protect their culture and religion without hinderance from the majority. He had clearly elaborated his vision for Pakistan after independence. He wanted Pakistan to be a secular, progressive welfare state. The mullahs who had called him a kafir, now claim ownership of his creation. Have you noticed the all pervasive expressions of Islam in Pakistan without the slightest effect on people’s morals. Jinnah was a century ahead of the so called leaders who followed him. Give Zia all the credit for the bloodshed going on now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mortal</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/03/30/how-can-lahore-be-secured-against-terrorist-attacks/comment-page-11/#comment-1325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mortal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If i am wrong then correct me-it is a reality that India never recognized Pakistan sincerely-so for as pakistan anit Inidia tactics are concerned so why India has opened about 2 dozens of its Counselates on Afghan border with Pakistan?&quot; - Arshid

Arshid, why do you (and many other Pakistanis) think that India doesn&#039;t recognize Pakistan?
Doesn&#039;t Pakistan have an Embassy &amp; consulates in India &amp; India have the same is Pakistan? That means &#039;Officially&#039; recognizing a state as a sovereign nation.

When former Indian PM Vajpayee visited Pakistan in 1999, he said that he wanted to clear all misconceptions &amp; clearly stated that &#039;India recognizes Pakistan as a sovereign legitimate state&#039;.

As for the Indian consulates in Afghanistan. Most Pakistanis seem to be under the impression that Indian consulates in Afghanistan train &amp; send terrorists to attack Pakistan. 

This is as farther from the truth as can be. You think, with American &amp; NATO presence in Afghanistan, they would allow something like that to happen?

The reality is that America &amp; NATO want Indian presence in Afghanistan so that India can have it&#039;s democratic influence on Afghanistan &amp; help build and strengthen it&#039;s democratic institutions. They want India to help Afghanistan get rid of the radicalism that has existed in that country for decades.     ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If i am wrong then correct me-it is a reality that India never recognized Pakistan sincerely-so for as pakistan anit Inidia tactics are concerned so why India has opened about 2 dozens of its Counselates on Afghan border with Pakistan?&#8221; &#8211; Arshid</p>
<p>Arshid, why do you (and many other Pakistanis) think that India doesn&#8217;t recognize Pakistan?<br />
Doesn&#8217;t Pakistan have an Embassy &#038; consulates in India &#038; India have the same is Pakistan? That means &#8216;Officially&#8217; recognizing a state as a sovereign nation.</p>
<p>When former Indian PM Vajpayee visited Pakistan in 1999, he said that he wanted to clear all misconceptions &#038; clearly stated that &#8216;India recognizes Pakistan as a sovereign legitimate state&#8217;.</p>
<p>As for the Indian consulates in Afghanistan. Most Pakistanis seem to be under the impression that Indian consulates in Afghanistan train &#038; send terrorists to attack Pakistan. </p>
<p>This is as farther from the truth as can be. You think, with American &#038; NATO presence in Afghanistan, they would allow something like that to happen?</p>
<p>The reality is that America &#038; NATO want Indian presence in Afghanistan so that India can have it&#8217;s democratic influence on Afghanistan &#038; help build and strengthen it&#8217;s democratic institutions. They want India to help Afghanistan get rid of the radicalism that has existed in that country for decades.     </p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/03/30/how-can-lahore-be-secured-against-terrorist-attacks/comment-page-11/#comment-1282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Killing people, Flogging people, Injuring people are all wrong wether in the name of religion or not. I see a lot of people writing in this forum about how killing other people is wrong because the Quran says so. Reality is &quot;It is the wrong thing to do irrespective&quot;. Militants are power hungry and they will do whatever it takes (terrorism etc) to get it. See them for what they are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Killing people, Flogging people, Injuring people are all wrong wether in the name of religion or not. I see a lot of people writing in this forum about how killing other people is wrong because the Quran says so. Reality is &#8220;It is the wrong thing to do irrespective&#8221;. Militants are power hungry and they will do whatever it takes (terrorism etc) to get it. See them for what they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammed Sukhera</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mohammed Sukhera]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The muslims of sub continent separated from Hindu majority India so that they could live their lives based on teachings of Islam. The main slogan of the  masses was: &quot;Meaning of Pakistan; There is no diety worthy of worship except Allah&quot; which has been totally forgotten. The politicians did want Islamic law  in the country and the struggle still continues. Politicians set up political parties based on regions and creed. The Former Pakistani dictator (Musharaf) used the military to kill innocent people who either did not agree with his policies or wanted the Islamic law in the country and called them terrorists. He ordered the militay to destroy the Lal masjid seminary where thousands of children  were learning Islam. Musharaf wanted the country to follow Kamal Atturk&#039;s teachings who was a heavy drinker and his first priority was to build a German brewery right in Instanbul(capital of Turkey)which is still functioning today.Pakistan&#039;s militray&#039;s job was to defend the country against foreign agression and not to kill its own people.Pakistan&#039;s problem is its leadership which is hypocrate, corrupt and arrogant. They spend more time to safeguard their leadership than help the masses. Pakitan&#039;s problems can&#039;t be solved with military force. There has to be a political solution and we have seen that force has not worked in the last 6-7 years. Talibans are not against the West, they just want to live their lives in peace and without any foreign agression. Drones which are being operated with the help of Pakistani government from bases in Pakistan are killing innocent people and they are fighting back. pakistani government should encourage the west to negotiate with Taliban in Afghanistan to bring peace to the wartorn country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The muslims of sub continent separated from Hindu majority India so that they could live their lives based on teachings of Islam. The main slogan of the  masses was: &#8220;Meaning of Pakistan; There is no diety worthy of worship except Allah&#8221; which has been totally forgotten. The politicians did want Islamic law  in the country and the struggle still continues. Politicians set up political parties based on regions and creed. The Former Pakistani dictator (Musharaf) used the military to kill innocent people who either did not agree with his policies or wanted the Islamic law in the country and called them terrorists. He ordered the militay to destroy the Lal masjid seminary where thousands of children  were learning Islam. Musharaf wanted the country to follow Kamal Atturk&#8217;s teachings who was a heavy drinker and his first priority was to build a German brewery right in Instanbul(capital of Turkey)which is still functioning today.Pakistan&#8217;s militray&#8217;s job was to defend the country against foreign agression and not to kill its own people.Pakistan&#8217;s problem is its leadership which is hypocrate, corrupt and arrogant. They spend more time to safeguard their leadership than help the masses. Pakitan&#8217;s problems can&#8217;t be solved with military force. There has to be a political solution and we have seen that force has not worked in the last 6-7 years. Talibans are not against the West, they just want to live their lives in peace and without any foreign agression. Drones which are being operated with the help of Pakistani government from bases in Pakistan are killing innocent people and they are fighting back. pakistani government should encourage the west to negotiate with Taliban in Afghanistan to bring peace to the wartorn country.</p>
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		<title>By: Khuda ka banda</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/03/30/how-can-lahore-be-secured-against-terrorist-attacks/comment-page-11/#comment-890</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Khuda ka banda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now this is going to hurt.
Perhaps, Pakistani institutions are using terror as a way of doing business. It helps them get huge sums of money by keeping the rhetoric of an unstable Pakistan destabilising the region going. This has been stepped up recently and now it says that entire Asia will be destabilised unless money is poured into Pakistan to upgrade its economy. This is plain silly, but the Western countries are falling for it and so it encourages the Pakistan government to keep this charade alive and let terror flourish. The one flaw in this scheme of things is that the Pakistani citizen loses his dignity and in the eyes of the world he is viewed in poor light for no fault of his. The ordinary citizen seems to have lost his pride through the actions (or inaction)of those in power.
The people need to realise that the money Pakistan gets does not translate into development but only lines the coffers of some. It is time that Pakistan ventures forth to change itself from within &amp; become self reliant or else it will be be condemned to remain a near failed state and Lahore will be continually repeated elsewhere by these worthless predators. Please dont allow it to happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now this is going to hurt.<br />
Perhaps, Pakistani institutions are using terror as a way of doing business. It helps them get huge sums of money by keeping the rhetoric of an unstable Pakistan destabilising the region going. This has been stepped up recently and now it says that entire Asia will be destabilised unless money is poured into Pakistan to upgrade its economy. This is plain silly, but the Western countries are falling for it and so it encourages the Pakistan government to keep this charade alive and let terror flourish. The one flaw in this scheme of things is that the Pakistani citizen loses his dignity and in the eyes of the world he is viewed in poor light for no fault of his. The ordinary citizen seems to have lost his pride through the actions (or inaction)of those in power.<br />
The people need to realise that the money Pakistan gets does not translate into development but only lines the coffers of some. It is time that Pakistan ventures forth to change itself from within &amp; become self reliant or else it will be be condemned to remain a near failed state and Lahore will be continually repeated elsewhere by these worthless predators. Please dont allow it to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: RAJENDRA DESHPANDE  INDIA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RAJENDRA DESHPANDE  INDIA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My dear friends
We in India feel sad when we hear such attacks on our Pakistani brothers, yes we feel Pakistani as our brothers, let me tell you through this news channel that most of the Indians are aware about the pains common Pakistani is suffering due to some of the radical groups from inside Pakistan. Unfortunatly in Pakistan democracy was not implementated properly and therefore Pakistan was under military rule for long time, If one man take a decision for whole country for his own intrest common people are going to face such problems one day. But if common man comes together for a good cause what can happen is proved by reinsisting Justice Chowdhury. We Indian welcome such move. We want Pakistan should live in a peace but having said that it is required that common Pakistani has to change their anti India mind set that got cultivated by your politicians for their own intrest. It is possible to change the faith of your country if you all come together, nobody can stop you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear friends<br />
We in India feel sad when we hear such attacks on our Pakistani brothers, yes we feel Pakistani as our brothers, let me tell you through this news channel that most of the Indians are aware about the pains common Pakistani is suffering due to some of the radical groups from inside Pakistan. Unfortunatly in Pakistan democracy was not implementated properly and therefore Pakistan was under military rule for long time, If one man take a decision for whole country for his own intrest common people are going to face such problems one day. But if common man comes together for a good cause what can happen is proved by reinsisting Justice Chowdhury. We Indian welcome such move. We want Pakistan should live in a peace but having said that it is required that common Pakistani has to change their anti India mind set that got cultivated by your politicians for their own intrest. It is possible to change the faith of your country if you all come together, nobody can stop you.</p>
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		<title>By: Farooq</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Farooq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe we will get through this. It is a learning phase every nation has to go through. We have to hang in there,  believe in Allah, believe in ourselves and do the best each of one of us can do. 

Times like these give us an opportunity to expunge the rot out of our society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe we will get through this. It is a learning phase every nation has to go through. We have to hang in there,  believe in Allah, believe in ourselves and do the best each of one of us can do. </p>
<p>Times like these give us an opportunity to expunge the rot out of our society.</p>
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		<title>By: Salman Khalid</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/03/30/how-can-lahore-be-secured-against-terrorist-attacks/comment-page-11/#comment-884</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Salman Khalid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please come support our brave policemen who are laying down their lives fighting terrorists despite lack of resources, training and equipment @

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=60797398211]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please come support our brave policemen who are laying down their lives fighting terrorists despite lack of resources, training and equipment @</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=60797398211" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=60797398211</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tarique</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tarique]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read all the news and comments of fellow Pakistani&#039;s. How long you all be acting like sitting duck and critise your politicians or world for your own problems.I consider this as your own problem because you have right to choose. You make wrong choise. You are one to blame no one else. The ISI, why are they given such privilage, ban them and make a country a social democratic like others in the world. Become non islamic, if this is Islam in islamic country it is shame to all the muslims, that a muslim is not safe in muslim country but is safe in non muslim country. Stop blaming others for your own fault.
Karachi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read all the news and comments of fellow Pakistani&#8217;s. How long you all be acting like sitting duck and critise your politicians or world for your own problems.I consider this as your own problem because you have right to choose. You make wrong choise. You are one to blame no one else. The ISI, why are they given such privilage, ban them and make a country a social democratic like others in the world. Become non islamic, if this is Islam in islamic country it is shame to all the muslims, that a muslim is not safe in muslim country but is safe in non muslim country. Stop blaming others for your own fault.<br />
Karachi</p>
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		<title>By: Humi ---Pakistan</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/03/30/how-can-lahore-be-secured-against-terrorist-attacks/comment-page-11/#comment-882</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Humi ---Pakistan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Sirs and Madams,

With all due respect, i see almost all of you talking about Symptoms not the cause? 

The core reason was at the very first place was the injustice done with Pakistan at the time of its creation by depriving it with its due share which made Pakistan a Poor and a desperate nation. 

On the other Hand at the end of the cold war America left Afghanistan alone (forget Pakistan) with extreme miseries and poverty,,, hence leaving them all at the disposal of a Poor Country Pakistan... So What you think? who is the real culprit?

The one who left the region when their Adventure and instead of development went for an ugly decision of supporting Talibs or the one who could do nothing more then to go for the American Masters (a mare cost for survival) or an ignorant neighbor always adding fuel to the fire on instability????

Please Stop Blaming Pakistan and pray for its success acting as the only shield for our neighbor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sirs and Madams,</p>
<p>With all due respect, i see almost all of you talking about Symptoms not the cause? </p>
<p>The core reason was at the very first place was the injustice done with Pakistan at the time of its creation by depriving it with its due share which made Pakistan a Poor and a desperate nation. </p>
<p>On the other Hand at the end of the cold war America left Afghanistan alone (forget Pakistan) with extreme miseries and poverty,,, hence leaving them all at the disposal of a Poor Country Pakistan&#8230; So What you think? who is the real culprit?</p>
<p>The one who left the region when their Adventure and instead of development went for an ugly decision of supporting Talibs or the one who could do nothing more then to go for the American Masters (a mare cost for survival) or an ignorant neighbor always adding fuel to the fire on instability????</p>
<p>Please Stop Blaming Pakistan and pray for its success acting as the only shield for our neighbor.</p>
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