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		<title>By: An Indian</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/01/what-provokes-baitullah-mehsud/comment-page-7/#comment-2867</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[An Indian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Friends,

The root cause of Pakistan&#039;s problems I feel is the education system itself. With so many Madrassas functioning how can your economy stand up. I do not know what is being taught in the madrassas but one thing is sure there is no professional education where a person can go out and make a living out of that education. 

The reason why these extremists find so much support and manpower is because your government is unable to provide them with jobs. No international company is willing to put money in Pakistan due to the nature of its politics. 

If you want to get rid of people like Baitullah Mehsud you must start educating the rural masses. Once they understand the importance of living in peace and harmony the whole region will become a wonderful place to live in!!!!

It is so good to see so many people coming out and having open minded discussions. I am sure all of you educated citizens of Pakistan can make a difference so gents please start this process ASAP!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Friends,</p>
<p>The root cause of Pakistan&#8217;s problems I feel is the education system itself. With so many Madrassas functioning how can your economy stand up. I do not know what is being taught in the madrassas but one thing is sure there is no professional education where a person can go out and make a living out of that education. </p>
<p>The reason why these extremists find so much support and manpower is because your government is unable to provide them with jobs. No international company is willing to put money in Pakistan due to the nature of its politics. </p>
<p>If you want to get rid of people like Baitullah Mehsud you must start educating the rural masses. Once they understand the importance of living in peace and harmony the whole region will become a wonderful place to live in!!!!</p>
<p>It is so good to see so many people coming out and having open minded discussions. I am sure all of you educated citizens of Pakistan can make a difference so gents please start this process ASAP!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/01/what-provokes-baitullah-mehsud/comment-page-7/#comment-1974</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mawali,
thank you for your writing.

All I am asking is, who has the authority to declare that someone is not a Muslim?

(everyone can say whatever they want, but they have no religious or legal or any other power or jurisdiction).

Please tell me, which person was officially/religiously or legally declared as such.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mawali,<br />
thank you for your writing.</p>
<p>All I am asking is, who has the authority to declare that someone is not a Muslim?</p>
<p>(everyone can say whatever they want, but they have no religious or legal or any other power or jurisdiction).</p>
<p>Please tell me, which person was officially/religiously or legally declared as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Mawali</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/01/what-provokes-baitullah-mehsud/comment-page-7/#comment-1907</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mawali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam;

All that the Taliban stand for and their practices as evidenced by the almost daily SUICIDE bombings are against the basic principles of Islam. without going pontificating adnauseam you ought to know that suicide is forbidden in Islam. Then as you ask; if Dr. Absus Salaam an individual of noble character and the only bright star and a Nobel laureate for Pakistan can be declared non-muslim then Baithullah Mehsud and his kind are anything but. This man has been playing on the sentiments of innocent Pakistani&#039;s living in the NW and Fata areas using the pretext of Islam. They have to be made aware that the Taliban and particularly Mehsud are using Islam for personal gain period. Capeesh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam;</p>
<p>All that the Taliban stand for and their practices as evidenced by the almost daily SUICIDE bombings are against the basic principles of Islam. without going pontificating adnauseam you ought to know that suicide is forbidden in Islam. Then as you ask; if Dr. Absus Salaam an individual of noble character and the only bright star and a Nobel laureate for Pakistan can be declared non-muslim then Baithullah Mehsud and his kind are anything but. This man has been playing on the sentiments of innocent Pakistani&#8217;s living in the NW and Fata areas using the pretext of Islam. They have to be made aware that the Taliban and particularly Mehsud are using Islam for personal gain period. Capeesh?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/01/what-provokes-baitullah-mehsud/comment-page-7/#comment-1858</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mawali &amp; others,
Is there a process or authority to declare that someone is not a Muslim ?

How is that done ?
Give some examples of people who are declared as, and what are the consequences those ex-muslim people faced.

Or is this just a wish or denial ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mawali &amp; others,<br />
Is there a process or authority to declare that someone is not a Muslim ?</p>
<p>How is that done ?<br />
Give some examples of people who are declared as, and what are the consequences those ex-muslim people faced.</p>
<p>Or is this just a wish or denial ?</p>
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		<title>By: Mawali</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/01/what-provokes-baitullah-mehsud/comment-page-7/#comment-1748</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mawali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A rebel without a cause is how Baitullah Mehsud can best be described. This whole issue of Islam and Sharia are mere means and short term goals successively to continue with the terror campaign. These are the same people who denounced drug trafficking under their rule but now are using it to finance terror. 
His claims of masterminding the incident in Binghamton, NY are just an example of his desperation to seek coverage. Anyone slightly familiar with the facts knows otherwise. How can people without an understanding of basic Islamic concepts go about or be allowed to impose Sharia or be accepted as followers of the religion.  Forget for a moment the daily terror attacks just the fact that he is maliciously distorting the basic edicts and principles of Islam should be plain and simple enough for your Mohalla Maulvi to declare him an an offender.  
So the people of Pakistan have to take matters into their hands and rid ourselves of this menace for good. If the picture of that little girl being whip lashed in public and her screams are not enough to wake up this nation than, nothing will. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rebel without a cause is how Baitullah Mehsud can best be described. This whole issue of Islam and Sharia are mere means and short term goals successively to continue with the terror campaign. These are the same people who denounced drug trafficking under their rule but now are using it to finance terror.<br />
His claims of masterminding the incident in Binghamton, NY are just an example of his desperation to seek coverage. Anyone slightly familiar with the facts knows otherwise. How can people without an understanding of basic Islamic concepts go about or be allowed to impose Sharia or be accepted as followers of the religion.  Forget for a moment the daily terror attacks just the fact that he is maliciously distorting the basic edicts and principles of Islam should be plain and simple enough for your Mohalla Maulvi to declare him an an offender.<br />
So the people of Pakistan have to take matters into their hands and rid ourselves of this menace for good. If the picture of that little girl being whip lashed in public and her screams are not enough to wake up this nation than, nothing will. </p>
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		<title>By: Saqib Khan</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/01/what-provokes-baitullah-mehsud/comment-page-7/#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saqib Khan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Baithullah Masood and his followers are not fit to be called Muslims.  The Quran forbids targeting of civilians and those who kill non-combatants are guilty of baghy, &quot;armed transgression&quot;, a capital offence in Islamic law. A &#039;jihad&#039; can be proclaimed only by a properly constituted state: anything else is vigilantism. The history of Islam is one of change and adaptation and movements have arisen periodically that seeked to transform both the nature of Islamic belief and the political and social lives of its followers. The Quran teaches that violence and terrorism cannot solve or sort out problems and if Baithullah Massod, Osma bin Laden or Taliban in Afghanistan suffer from the misconception that by using violent means they could intimidate societies then it is their biggest folly. They will never intimidate Pakistanis by their acts of stomach churning terrorism and violence and will suffer humiliation at the end.

If they seek justice then it could only be achieved when there is peace. Peace cannot be achieved when there is peace (AS-Salaam), love, harmony, hope and mercy by reflecting piety and righteousness in their deeds,  peace and justice can only prevail when there is harmony and peace around us. In Islam, Jihad means struggle or strive but the struggle must be peaceful and never violent. True idea of jihad spread peacefully throughout the Islamic glorious history and civilization. Islam believes in the jihad that is spread peacefully and militancy and violence is totally forbidden. The greater jihad, as preached by Prophet Mohammed (SAW) is first inward-seeking: it involves the effort of each Muslim to become a better human being and to struggle to improve him or herself so that jihad can benefit their communities. 

Jihad is a test of each Muslim&#039;s obedience to Allah and willingness to implant His commands on the earth. It is correct that Islam sanctions rebellion against unjust ruler whether Muslim or not, and lesser jihad can be waged for just political and social struggle. The chief characteristics of Islam is that every Muslim must strive to make our world into a place of peace, contentment and well-being of others and where society is obedient to the commands of Allah. The chief characteristics of Islam is that every Muslim must strive to make our world into a place of peace, contentment and well-being of others and where society is obedient to the commands of Allah. We are instructed in the Quran not to veer to extremes but adhere to ummatum wassatun (middle path) and refrain from excess of any kind and 99.99% of the Muslims earnestly strive to attain this middle ground, which is the most fertile ground in which to practice our religion intended for us: an Islam of peace, compassion, mercy, tolerance and justice for all.

Osama bin laden and Bithullah Masood and his followers have adopted distorted jihad for their political and social philosophy. It is their perversion of thought that justifies suicide bombings and killing of the innocents. These so-called jihadis have no blueprint for any policy or plan for better governance but are obsessed with the hatred of America and the West as they blame them for most of economic ills as well as for the exploitation of the Muslim world; oppression and inhuman treatment of the Palestinians by the Jewish State of Israel; and exporting vulgar and immoral values, which these groups believe is a conspiracy to attack Islam and corrupt Muslim youth by the front door. These groups who call themselves jihadi want to reduce Islam to the length of one&#039;s beard and shalwar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baithullah Masood and his followers are not fit to be called Muslims.  The Quran forbids targeting of civilians and those who kill non-combatants are guilty of baghy, &#8220;armed transgression&#8221;, a capital offence in Islamic law. A &#8216;jihad&#8217; can be proclaimed only by a properly constituted state: anything else is vigilantism. The history of Islam is one of change and adaptation and movements have arisen periodically that seeked to transform both the nature of Islamic belief and the political and social lives of its followers. The Quran teaches that violence and terrorism cannot solve or sort out problems and if Baithullah Massod, Osma bin Laden or Taliban in Afghanistan suffer from the misconception that by using violent means they could intimidate societies then it is their biggest folly. They will never intimidate Pakistanis by their acts of stomach churning terrorism and violence and will suffer humiliation at the end.</p>
<p>If they seek justice then it could only be achieved when there is peace. Peace cannot be achieved when there is peace (AS-Salaam), love, harmony, hope and mercy by reflecting piety and righteousness in their deeds,  peace and justice can only prevail when there is harmony and peace around us. In Islam, Jihad means struggle or strive but the struggle must be peaceful and never violent. True idea of jihad spread peacefully throughout the Islamic glorious history and civilization. Islam believes in the jihad that is spread peacefully and militancy and violence is totally forbidden. The greater jihad, as preached by Prophet Mohammed (SAW) is first inward-seeking: it involves the effort of each Muslim to become a better human being and to struggle to improve him or herself so that jihad can benefit their communities. </p>
<p>Jihad is a test of each Muslim&#8217;s obedience to Allah and willingness to implant His commands on the earth. It is correct that Islam sanctions rebellion against unjust ruler whether Muslim or not, and lesser jihad can be waged for just political and social struggle. The chief characteristics of Islam is that every Muslim must strive to make our world into a place of peace, contentment and well-being of others and where society is obedient to the commands of Allah. The chief characteristics of Islam is that every Muslim must strive to make our world into a place of peace, contentment and well-being of others and where society is obedient to the commands of Allah. We are instructed in the Quran not to veer to extremes but adhere to ummatum wassatun (middle path) and refrain from excess of any kind and 99.99% of the Muslims earnestly strive to attain this middle ground, which is the most fertile ground in which to practice our religion intended for us: an Islam of peace, compassion, mercy, tolerance and justice for all.</p>
<p>Osama bin laden and Bithullah Masood and his followers have adopted distorted jihad for their political and social philosophy. It is their perversion of thought that justifies suicide bombings and killing of the innocents. These so-called jihadis have no blueprint for any policy or plan for better governance but are obsessed with the hatred of America and the West as they blame them for most of economic ills as well as for the exploitation of the Muslim world; oppression and inhuman treatment of the Palestinians by the Jewish State of Israel; and exporting vulgar and immoral values, which these groups believe is a conspiracy to attack Islam and corrupt Muslim youth by the front door. These groups who call themselves jihadi want to reduce Islam to the length of one&#8217;s beard and shalwar.</p>
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		<title>By: khanna kharaba</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/01/what-provokes-baitullah-mehsud/comment-page-7/#comment-1375</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[khanna kharaba]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The simple fact that Pak govt is getting 7.5 billion in aid and he is getting nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simple fact that Pak govt is getting 7.5 billion in aid and he is getting nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/01/what-provokes-baitullah-mehsud/comment-page-7/#comment-1338</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I applaud the Taliban and other leaders who are bringing True Islam and Sharia Law to Swat.

No leader or govt in the last 62 years was able to do this.

Remember when Taliban took over Afghanistan they brought peace and eliminated the drug trade.

Once they take over the whole of Pakistan (not just Swat), peace will come.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud the Taliban and other leaders who are bringing True Islam and Sharia Law to Swat.</p>
<p>No leader or govt in the last 62 years was able to do this.</p>
<p>Remember when Taliban took over Afghanistan they brought peace and eliminated the drug trade.</p>
<p>Once they take over the whole of Pakistan (not just Swat), peace will come.</p>
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		<title>By: Tansheet Mustafa</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/01/what-provokes-baitullah-mehsud/comment-page-7/#comment-1318</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tansheet Mustafa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Ashar has made a valid point people are trying to justify their act ....where there can be no justification .....it might not be popular belief that these radicals are not servant of islam few days ago but it has now become so! why is our media not cashing on it? instead every anchor person left , right and centre is trying to point the short comings of our security forces...

we must all understand that we are in state of war and in war nation and forces need all the support they can get .... so lets all boost the moral of jawan and public .....
and media should focus on that if they want pak to survive]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Ashar has made a valid point people are trying to justify their act &#8230;.where there can be no justification &#8230;..it might not be popular belief that these radicals are not servant of islam few days ago but it has now become so! why is our media not cashing on it? instead every anchor person left , right and centre is trying to point the short comings of our security forces&#8230;</p>
<p>we must all understand that we are in state of war and in war nation and forces need all the support they can get &#8230;. so lets all boost the moral of jawan and public &#8230;..<br />
and media should focus on that if they want pak to survive</p>
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		<title>By: Faizan</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/01/what-provokes-baitullah-mehsud/comment-page-7/#comment-1306</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Faizan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Taliban Na Manzor Na Manzor Na Manzor! What I saw today how could I sleep with those screams haunting my ears? A girl whipped in public by men holding her down, I cannot even make any sense of it, this has made me sick to my stomach.I donot accept it!

I just ask my brother and sister of Pakistan please just by ignoring this and closing your tv set you will not make  those screams die.We have to let our leaders know this is unacceptable, and never again this can happen! We have to give this girl justice, she is a citizen of Pakistan! Civil society of Pakistan we have to play our part.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taliban Na Manzor Na Manzor Na Manzor! What I saw today how could I sleep with those screams haunting my ears? A girl whipped in public by men holding her down, I cannot even make any sense of it, this has made me sick to my stomach.I donot accept it!</p>
<p>I just ask my brother and sister of Pakistan please just by ignoring this and closing your tv set you will not make  those screams die.We have to let our leaders know this is unacceptable, and never again this can happen! We have to give this girl justice, she is a citizen of Pakistan! Civil society of Pakistan we have to play our part.</p>
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