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		<title>By: Ananth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ananth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joint patrolling is in the best interest of Pakistan. 

Say NO to this only 
1. If Pakistanis desire for a Taliban style rule in which women and minorities will be treated as third grade citizens, can they oppose this. 

2. If you want to see your country competing with Afghan and some African nations to get the &#039;Poorest and most dangerous country&#039; title.

3. If you want see your children taking to terrorism as a source of employment.

One region after other are slowly slipping out of government control and no action plan announced till date. What happens if tomorrow Taliban declares the occupied parts as a separate country ? 

I am surprised to see people&#039;s ignorance when they say &#039;Terrorists are our brothers &#039; or &#039;Dont like to fight against our own citizens&#039;. Terrorists are not friends and well-wishers of any country or community. Pls understad it. If you still take them as your brothers, just ask yourself why your brothers are unleashing death and horror in their own country ?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joint patrolling is in the best interest of Pakistan. </p>
<p>Say NO to this only<br />
1. If Pakistanis desire for a Taliban style rule in which women and minorities will be treated as third grade citizens, can they oppose this. </p>
<p>2. If you want to see your country competing with Afghan and some African nations to get the &#8216;Poorest and most dangerous country&#8217; title.</p>
<p>3. If you want see your children taking to terrorism as a source of employment.</p>
<p>One region after other are slowly slipping out of government control and no action plan announced till date. What happens if tomorrow Taliban declares the occupied parts as a separate country ? </p>
<p>I am surprised to see people&#8217;s ignorance when they say &#8216;Terrorists are our brothers &#8216; or &#8216;Dont like to fight against our own citizens&#8217;. Terrorists are not friends and well-wishers of any country or community. Pls understad it. If you still take them as your brothers, just ask yourself why your brothers are unleashing death and horror in their own country ?</p>
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		<title>By: Sameera</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sameera]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pakistan is right to say no to joined operations. And what US and Indians are telling to whole world isn&#039;t true. 

America is working on another killing spree like it did in Iraq, I would like to highlight some of the facts below. 

1) Islamabad still controls most of Pakistan, Sindh and Punjab provinces with an iron fist. 

2) Pakistani police and army control most of NWFP. In so called &quot;separatist&quot; Balochistan there&#039;s only 5% of the total population of Pakistan. 

For Washington to believe that a small, rural, Pashtun tribal fighters from FATA NWFP, with no air force, no heavy artillery and no tanks, could take over a Pakistan with a 650,000-strong well-trained army is an absolutely ridiculous notion. (Like they said to whole world about Iraqi nuclear weapons)

And for Washington to believe - as Holbrooke implied recently on his trip to Pakistan - that a few Pashtun tribals and a few expat jihadis from Arab world can take on Western civilization as a whole is also an absolutely ridiculous notion!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pakistan is right to say no to joined operations. And what US and Indians are telling to whole world isn&#8217;t true. </p>
<p>America is working on another killing spree like it did in Iraq, I would like to highlight some of the facts below. </p>
<p>1) Islamabad still controls most of Pakistan, Sindh and Punjab provinces with an iron fist. </p>
<p>2) Pakistani police and army control most of NWFP. In so called &#8220;separatist&#8221; Balochistan there&#8217;s only 5% of the total population of Pakistan. </p>
<p>For Washington to believe that a small, rural, Pashtun tribal fighters from FATA NWFP, with no air force, no heavy artillery and no tanks, could take over a Pakistan with a 650,000-strong well-trained army is an absolutely ridiculous notion. (Like they said to whole world about Iraqi nuclear weapons)</p>
<p>And for Washington to believe &#8211; as Holbrooke implied recently on his trip to Pakistan &#8211; that a few Pashtun tribals and a few expat jihadis from Arab world can take on Western civilization as a whole is also an absolutely ridiculous notion!</p>
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		<title>By: Firoz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Firoz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pakistan has received billions of dollars US-aid. I feel that perhaps Pakistani agencies got corrupted by this money and lost will to fight Taliban or other Pakistani enemy. These people have big bank balance in Swiss banks and grab land in Pakistan. They have sent their kids to western countries so they can be safe from Taliban. Poor lower rank soldiers end up getting killed by Taliban. This is the truth. Otherwise how it is possible that armed forces can not defeat few thousands millitants with all their F16s and other modern weaponaries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pakistan has received billions of dollars US-aid. I feel that perhaps Pakistani agencies got corrupted by this money and lost will to fight Taliban or other Pakistani enemy. These people have big bank balance in Swiss banks and grab land in Pakistan. They have sent their kids to western countries so they can be safe from Taliban. Poor lower rank soldiers end up getting killed by Taliban. This is the truth. Otherwise how it is possible that armed forces can not defeat few thousands millitants with all their F16s and other modern weaponaries.</p>
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		<title>By: FAZAL ALI BUTT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FAZAL ALI BUTT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[‘Yes, Pakistan can’ or ‘no, it can’t’?

It’s surprising to find that anybody who does anything is named as TALIBAN. Media has given government of Pakistan and law enforcing authorities a simple name to escape from the trouble of investigating and bringing the real culprits to justice. 

Although, there might exist, let’s for a moment suppose they do, the real Taliban in Pakistan or Afghanistan, they are fighting for their self-interpreted version of Islam. ‘That it should come to this’ is dubious (Hamlet I, ii); they are unlikely to wage a war on a country that is profusely equipped with a weaponry of latest technology and has a trained, in institutions of war sciences, multi dimensional armed force, that too is backed by the governments of the world.  

There are more things in heaven and earth…, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. (Hamlet I, v).These more things that are not discussed in/by media hide the key. Sagacious Muslim leaders need to decipher this puzzle. Is America helping Pakistan  because it is genuinely wishes to help Pakistan or because it has committed a blunder by opening up the proverbial Pandora’s Box. 

Pakistan should weigh all the possible pros and cons without letting in any missile, make its decisions before it says ‘yes, Pakistan can’ or ‘no, it can’t’. Pakistan, Afghanistan, and America need to learn that ‘When sorrows come, they come not single spies, But in battalions (IV, v)

                    
FAZAL ALI BUTT]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Yes, Pakistan can’ or ‘no, it can’t’?</p>
<p>It’s surprising to find that anybody who does anything is named as TALIBAN. Media has given government of Pakistan and law enforcing authorities a simple name to escape from the trouble of investigating and bringing the real culprits to justice. </p>
<p>Although, there might exist, let’s for a moment suppose they do, the real Taliban in Pakistan or Afghanistan, they are fighting for their self-interpreted version of Islam. ‘That it should come to this’ is dubious (Hamlet I, ii); they are unlikely to wage a war on a country that is profusely equipped with a weaponry of latest technology and has a trained, in institutions of war sciences, multi dimensional armed force, that too is backed by the governments of the world.  </p>
<p>There are more things in heaven and earth…, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. (Hamlet I, v).These more things that are not discussed in/by media hide the key. Sagacious Muslim leaders need to decipher this puzzle. Is America helping Pakistan  because it is genuinely wishes to help Pakistan or because it has committed a blunder by opening up the proverbial Pandora’s Box. </p>
<p>Pakistan should weigh all the possible pros and cons without letting in any missile, make its decisions before it says ‘yes, Pakistan can’ or ‘no, it can’t’. Pakistan, Afghanistan, and America need to learn that ‘When sorrows come, they come not single spies, But in battalions (IV, v)</p>
<p>FAZAL ALI BUTT</p>
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		<title>By: Sunil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sunil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Taliban seem to be overwhelming Pakistani authorities. Alliance with Americans or anybody else to defeat the enemy within the state is always good idea as long as the so called key victory indicators and approximate time frame is pre-agreed. Whether this info is released public domain is different thing.

Because fact is UN is respecting Pakistani establishment and watching patiently. Mind you this in-action is lot dearer to the world Nations (in terms of lives,faith and money)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taliban seem to be overwhelming Pakistani authorities. Alliance with Americans or anybody else to defeat the enemy within the state is always good idea as long as the so called key victory indicators and approximate time frame is pre-agreed. Whether this info is released public domain is different thing.</p>
<p>Because fact is UN is respecting Pakistani establishment and watching patiently. Mind you this in-action is lot dearer to the world Nations (in terms of lives,faith and money)</p>
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		<title>By: mashal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mashal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Americans have failed to root out Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, so what they will do so different in FATA and other Areas of Pakistan to root out TAliban and Extremists? Have they any new strategy in fighting the so called terror network in PAkistan? And by the way, why should USA not trust PAkistani Secuirty Agencies when its help has been recognized and aoppreciated in the start of war in Afghanistan and apprehending of hundreds of TAliban and Al-Qaeda figures.

And last but not the least, any joint operation in this country will erode any credibility of the armed forces that has been left in days of Musharraf regime. it will further aggravate the situation. And very informd of the sentiments against USA and NATO, i am sure American forces will not be able to control this country from a downward spiral of violance once they enter it. 

Dear US, just concentrate on Afghanistan. Dont dig another grave for your hyper power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Americans have failed to root out Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, so what they will do so different in FATA and other Areas of Pakistan to root out TAliban and Extremists? Have they any new strategy in fighting the so called terror network in PAkistan? And by the way, why should USA not trust PAkistani Secuirty Agencies when its help has been recognized and aoppreciated in the start of war in Afghanistan and apprehending of hundreds of TAliban and Al-Qaeda figures.</p>
<p>And last but not the least, any joint operation in this country will erode any credibility of the armed forces that has been left in days of Musharraf regime. it will further aggravate the situation. And very informd of the sentiments against USA and NATO, i am sure American forces will not be able to control this country from a downward spiral of violance once they enter it. </p>
<p>Dear US, just concentrate on Afghanistan. Dont dig another grave for your hyper power.</p>
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		<title>By: M.N.Syed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M.N.Syed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pakistan government writ in FATA and adjoining areas is practically nil. Talibans in these areas are now extending their terror and influence in to settled areas. In spite of accepting Nizam e Adal in Malakund Division by government, Taliban terrorist are continuing suicide bombing in NWFP(latest in Char sadda). Talibans are cancer, should be eliminated at any cost.In areas where their is no government writ, there is no harm in taking American help in the form of joint operation against Talibans.Talibans dont respect Pakistan sovereignty in these areas, if America helps us in establishing Pakistan writ in these areas we should be thankful to them
M. N. Syed, California.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pakistan government writ in FATA and adjoining areas is practically nil. Talibans in these areas are now extending their terror and influence in to settled areas. In spite of accepting Nizam e Adal in Malakund Division by government, Taliban terrorist are continuing suicide bombing in NWFP(latest in Char sadda). Talibans are cancer, should be eliminated at any cost.In areas where their is no government writ, there is no harm in taking American help in the form of joint operation against Talibans.Talibans dont respect Pakistan sovereignty in these areas, if America helps us in establishing Pakistan writ in these areas we should be thankful to them<br />
M. N. Syed, California.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamus O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamus O'Brien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would have thought that Pakistan should be grateful for whatever help they can get from the international community (including the USA) in defeating the Taliban. I know that Pakistani&#039;s are very proud people (and you can defend yourselves) however, it appears to me that you are not having much luck at the moment defending your own territory from these bigots. As much as you may dislike the USA, the other option (defeat by the Taliban) is a much worse proposition. 

As far as arguments concerning these &quot;conspiracy theories&quot; about wanting your resources are concerned, what an absolute joke. The West couldn&#039;t give a damn. You may truly believe that Pakistan is the &quot;greatest nation on the planet&quot; however, truth be known, most Americans would probably be lucky to point Pakistan out on the map.

I&#039;m in Australia, and I can assure you, there would be very few people who are even the least bit interested if you actually want to be &quot;ruled&quot; by the Taliban or not - that is your choice (but I suspect the overwhelming majority of Pakistani people don&#039;t). What concerns us is that our own citizens have been killed by these fanatics for simply living their own lives 10,000 miles away because someone half way across the planet decides that we are &quot;kaffirs&quot;.

Trust me, we would be more than happy to leave you alone in peace (or subjugation, if the Taliban win) however, I doubt these blokes are likely to stop at the border somehow!

Please don&#039;t regard an offer of help as some matter of national disgrace - I&#039;m pretty sure that we should all be on the same side - shouldn&#039;t we?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have thought that Pakistan should be grateful for whatever help they can get from the international community (including the USA) in defeating the Taliban. I know that Pakistani&#8217;s are very proud people (and you can defend yourselves) however, it appears to me that you are not having much luck at the moment defending your own territory from these bigots. As much as you may dislike the USA, the other option (defeat by the Taliban) is a much worse proposition. </p>
<p>As far as arguments concerning these &#8220;conspiracy theories&#8221; about wanting your resources are concerned, what an absolute joke. The West couldn&#8217;t give a damn. You may truly believe that Pakistan is the &#8220;greatest nation on the planet&#8221; however, truth be known, most Americans would probably be lucky to point Pakistan out on the map.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in Australia, and I can assure you, there would be very few people who are even the least bit interested if you actually want to be &#8220;ruled&#8221; by the Taliban or not &#8211; that is your choice (but I suspect the overwhelming majority of Pakistani people don&#8217;t). What concerns us is that our own citizens have been killed by these fanatics for simply living their own lives 10,000 miles away because someone half way across the planet decides that we are &#8220;kaffirs&#8221;.</p>
<p>Trust me, we would be more than happy to leave you alone in peace (or subjugation, if the Taliban win) however, I doubt these blokes are likely to stop at the border somehow!</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t regard an offer of help as some matter of national disgrace &#8211; I&#8217;m pretty sure that we should all be on the same side &#8211; shouldn&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: adnan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[adnan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the first time around.. i said.. no to joint operations.. things have changed.. changed dramatically.. i say bring the us army in.. they might deal with the talibans. pakistan was created as a moderate islamic republic and that is what we want
EMPHASIS ON THE WORD MODERATE]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the first time around.. i said.. no to joint operations.. things have changed.. changed dramatically.. i say bring the us army in.. they might deal with the talibans. pakistan was created as a moderate islamic republic and that is what we want<br />
EMPHASIS ON THE WORD MODERATE</p>
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		<title>By: Hasan Mahmood</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hasan Mahmood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First we spread our kushkols for the money. Then we try to protect these Talibanis by calling them our brothers and sisters. Then we rely on Americans for our life line. Then the politicians tell ordinary poor Pakistanis how they are standing up to Americans when in fact they allow the drone attacks. When will Pakistanis understand that they cannot survive without aid from America and beggars cannot be choosers. If America wants to come into Pakistan it will and Inshallah that day is close when someone (either US or someone else) will come in and rid this country of all the Talibans and all the people who call these terrorists their brothers and sisters. Hopefully now people understand that by shouting Democracy you don&#039;t get Democracy. You get a mess.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First we spread our kushkols for the money. Then we try to protect these Talibanis by calling them our brothers and sisters. Then we rely on Americans for our life line. Then the politicians tell ordinary poor Pakistanis how they are standing up to Americans when in fact they allow the drone attacks. When will Pakistanis understand that they cannot survive without aid from America and beggars cannot be choosers. If America wants to come into Pakistan it will and Inshallah that day is close when someone (either US or someone else) will come in and rid this country of all the Talibans and all the people who call these terrorists their brothers and sisters. Hopefully now people understand that by shouting Democracy you don&#8217;t get Democracy. You get a mess&#8230;..</p>
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