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		<title>By: Farah Jamshed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Farah Jamshed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suggest that those giving us money should refrain from giving cash, rather they should each take on a project in Pakistan and have it done themselves. The moment the money comes in the country, it won&#039;t be seen again--except in shape on rebuilding some roads with cheap material that would get damaged in next rain. 

So, the donators should take the responsibility of restructuring Pakistan by implementing development projects themselves, and not giving us cash.

As for the funds that are already here, the government--though impossible--should realise that they are playing with the lives of people. They already are multi billionaires and should spare some for the country.We can&#039;t do much in this sense besides praying that Allah puts mercy in their hearts. The government is fighting over petty issues of the power and ignoring the broad picture.The soon we realise the better before we again become slaves to others--then I am sure all these people would leave the Pakistan leaving innocent people to the miseries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest that those giving us money should refrain from giving cash, rather they should each take on a project in Pakistan and have it done themselves. The moment the money comes in the country, it won&#8217;t be seen again&#8211;except in shape on rebuilding some roads with cheap material that would get damaged in next rain. </p>
<p>So, the donators should take the responsibility of restructuring Pakistan by implementing development projects themselves, and not giving us cash.</p>
<p>As for the funds that are already here, the government&#8211;though impossible&#8211;should realise that they are playing with the lives of people. They already are multi billionaires and should spare some for the country.We can&#8217;t do much in this sense besides praying that Allah puts mercy in their hearts. The government is fighting over petty issues of the power and ignoring the broad picture.The soon we realise the better before we again become slaves to others&#8211;then I am sure all these people would leave the Pakistan leaving innocent people to the miseries.</p>
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		<title>By: Anwer Moten</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anwer Moten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The best way to spend non military aid? First and foremost build a clean, efficient, punctual, fragrant, air conditioned and subsidized mass transit system, overhead or underground, in all the major cities of Pakistan. Every morning and evening we see millions of commuters packed like sardines in hot, stuffy and smelly buses going to and coming from their places of work. How can we expect these workers to be in the right frame of mind when they arrive at their place of work or for that matter at their place of learning or when returning home after a day of sweaty labor? .I believe that building these MTS’ will generate more goodwill than all the aid or dole outs we have received in the last 60 years. Moreover, we can expect productivity to increase manifold in all spheres not to mention the self respect restored to all who go through this daily ordeal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best way to spend non military aid? First and foremost build a clean, efficient, punctual, fragrant, air conditioned and subsidized mass transit system, overhead or underground, in all the major cities of Pakistan. Every morning and evening we see millions of commuters packed like sardines in hot, stuffy and smelly buses going to and coming from their places of work. How can we expect these workers to be in the right frame of mind when they arrive at their place of work or for that matter at their place of learning or when returning home after a day of sweaty labor? .I believe that building these MTS’ will generate more goodwill than all the aid or dole outs we have received in the last 60 years. Moreover, we can expect productivity to increase manifold in all spheres not to mention the self respect restored to all who go through this daily ordeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Amin Beg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amin Beg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aha, good question! May sound pessimistic, but this is how it will be used: 50% will never land in Pakistan. 40 % corrupt officials and politicians. 10%  cosmetic projects to gain cheap popularity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha, good question! May sound pessimistic, but this is how it will be used: 50% will never land in Pakistan. 40 % corrupt officials and politicians. 10%  cosmetic projects to gain cheap popularity.</p>
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		<title>By: naik mm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[naik mm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It goes without saying that any transfer of funds given to a country is given on specifics. The funds transferred have to be audited and accounted for. Why are the donor agencies not following up once the funds are transferred? In a totally corrupt country it is understood that development and growth will hardly be seen as the funds do not reach the purpose for what it was given in the first place. Pakistan is well known for its ever growing hunger for aid. To convince the donor nations, India and Afghanistan are vehemently portrayed as the sole reasons for their present predicament. Pakistan has to be kept under close watch not only in terms of aid flowing inwards, they have to be closely watched for the growth of terrorism at a logarithmic rate. Their nuclear assets may be within the reach of Taliban any moment now. An Iron hand approach by every sane country should be immediatly exercised.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It goes without saying that any transfer of funds given to a country is given on specifics. The funds transferred have to be audited and accounted for. Why are the donor agencies not following up once the funds are transferred? In a totally corrupt country it is understood that development and growth will hardly be seen as the funds do not reach the purpose for what it was given in the first place. Pakistan is well known for its ever growing hunger for aid. To convince the donor nations, India and Afghanistan are vehemently portrayed as the sole reasons for their present predicament. Pakistan has to be kept under close watch not only in terms of aid flowing inwards, they have to be closely watched for the growth of terrorism at a logarithmic rate. Their nuclear assets may be within the reach of Taliban any moment now. An Iron hand approach by every sane country should be immediatly exercised.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wasserman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Wasserman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is an offensive question: How should we spend the money we have begged ? Is there no sense of shame anymore ?

How about how do we become self-reliant and not beg for money ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an offensive question: How should we spend the money we have begged ? Is there no sense of shame anymore ?</p>
<p>How about how do we become self-reliant and not beg for money ?</p>
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		<title>By: Syed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Syed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a question:
Why does Pakistan require aid?

I&#039;m not sure if receiving money for defense spending is cost effective if you are only allowed to use that money for operations against Pakistani or Afghani citizens.  Do you need F-16&#039;s and guided missles to fight young Pathaan men, how effective has that been?  When these equipment were used against India, how effective were we?

Pakistan requires investment in infrastructure for public health/housing (sanitation, vaccinations, medicines, hospitals, housing projects, worker training programs) education (technological, artistic, AND islamic)

Pakistan should not require any food aid, it is not logical given the amount of land reserved for crops, grave inefficiencies here.

The Pakistani government should play a greater Islamic role in its citizens lives, because that is what they demand, otherwise they may unfortunately have to deal with impending vigilantism, and chaos in its big cities.  For those who espouse the poverty vs Islam arguments
Why should this lifestyle be mutually exclusive of public parks, libraries, affordable entertainment, and intermingling of social classes?   The government can do more to improve both areas of life, and that would be possible if the silent majority (perhaps not in Lahore) were empowered to elect Islamically like minded politicians (assuming democracy would work in a country where its citizens care more about subethnicities rather than any sense of national unity, and where the dominant language used by the government (English) is not what is spoken by the populace (Urdu, and more etc). I&#039;ll be honest i have a pro-Islamic bias, but I feel that I have explained my argument from a neutral perspective.

Pakistan may have to consider coming in to agreement with Afghanistan, either liberating NWFP or repatriating it to Afghanistan (if you are concerned about illegal cross border movement).  Pakistan has to figure how to get off the &quot;chessboard&quot;.

Pakistan should attempt to enforce the land reform laws that are already on its books to limit the disproportionate amount of power hereditary landowners possess.  How can we limit the amount of undue influence politicians amass in terms of wealth (some officially given ie cars, residences, exorbitant salaries, and some thru bribes)

For 60 years Pakistanis still are lacking, relative to what they need, a sense of national unity, and still flock to parties that only represent ethnic subtypes, or that support politicians in a personality-cult like manner.  

Pakistan has to invest fairly into each of its provinces or deal with potential (or existing) nationalist movements in virtually all of its provinces

As a pro Islamic, pro Pakistani, second generation Pakistani-American that supports the two nation theory, I will try to convince my government (US) to leave Pakistan alone, what will you do?

Don&#039;t just blame Zia (although he is partially guility): America and Russia are to blame, but why did we have to take sides?  (the prophet saws did not chose between the persians, or the byzantines, rather they both declined over time)

And finally, this is not the pakistan of bhutto, it is the pakistan of quaid e azam and philosophers of the like of iqbal  

How about some independence?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question:<br />
Why does Pakistan require aid?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if receiving money for defense spending is cost effective if you are only allowed to use that money for operations against Pakistani or Afghani citizens.  Do you need F-16&#8217;s and guided missles to fight young Pathaan men, how effective has that been?  When these equipment were used against India, how effective were we?</p>
<p>Pakistan requires investment in infrastructure for public health/housing (sanitation, vaccinations, medicines, hospitals, housing projects, worker training programs) education (technological, artistic, AND islamic)</p>
<p>Pakistan should not require any food aid, it is not logical given the amount of land reserved for crops, grave inefficiencies here.</p>
<p>The Pakistani government should play a greater Islamic role in its citizens lives, because that is what they demand, otherwise they may unfortunately have to deal with impending vigilantism, and chaos in its big cities.  For those who espouse the poverty vs Islam arguments<br />
Why should this lifestyle be mutually exclusive of public parks, libraries, affordable entertainment, and intermingling of social classes?   The government can do more to improve both areas of life, and that would be possible if the silent majority (perhaps not in Lahore) were empowered to elect Islamically like minded politicians (assuming democracy would work in a country where its citizens care more about subethnicities rather than any sense of national unity, and where the dominant language used by the government (English) is not what is spoken by the populace (Urdu, and more etc). I&#8217;ll be honest i have a pro-Islamic bias, but I feel that I have explained my argument from a neutral perspective.</p>
<p>Pakistan may have to consider coming in to agreement with Afghanistan, either liberating NWFP or repatriating it to Afghanistan (if you are concerned about illegal cross border movement).  Pakistan has to figure how to get off the &#8220;chessboard&#8221;.</p>
<p>Pakistan should attempt to enforce the land reform laws that are already on its books to limit the disproportionate amount of power hereditary landowners possess.  How can we limit the amount of undue influence politicians amass in terms of wealth (some officially given ie cars, residences, exorbitant salaries, and some thru bribes)</p>
<p>For 60 years Pakistanis still are lacking, relative to what they need, a sense of national unity, and still flock to parties that only represent ethnic subtypes, or that support politicians in a personality-cult like manner.  </p>
<p>Pakistan has to invest fairly into each of its provinces or deal with potential (or existing) nationalist movements in virtually all of its provinces</p>
<p>As a pro Islamic, pro Pakistani, second generation Pakistani-American that supports the two nation theory, I will try to convince my government (US) to leave Pakistan alone, what will you do?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t just blame Zia (although he is partially guility): America and Russia are to blame, but why did we have to take sides?  (the prophet saws did not chose between the persians, or the byzantines, rather they both declined over time)</p>
<p>And finally, this is not the pakistan of bhutto, it is the pakistan of quaid e azam and philosophers of the like of iqbal  </p>
<p>How about some independence?</p>
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		<title>By: Nasir Mehdi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nasir Mehdi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not a single penny should find its way into the parasitic hands of Govt and Army and Mullahs. Now is the time to reduce the role of Mullahs by not listening to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a single penny should find its way into the parasitic hands of Govt and Army and Mullahs. Now is the time to reduce the role of Mullahs by not listening to them.</p>
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		<title>By: ali</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How would you spend non military aid?
  
Such a stupid question, how have all the past military aids or non military aids been spent? who spent it all? where was it spent? actually how much of other countries hard earned tax payers money was spent? was it really passed on or distributed among givers and takers??   But most important question is,, Did the past aids help reduce the poverty,illiteracy,helplessness of the masses or it helped our previous rulers and their friends in pakistan and out of pakistan?  And what guarantee do we have that this aid injected in pakistan&#039;s failing economy not misused by establishment of the country??   If you are unable to answer half of these questions i seek, then i think you better inject this dose of aid somewhere its as badly needed as pakistan but well used.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would you spend non military aid?</p>
<p>Such a stupid question, how have all the past military aids or non military aids been spent? who spent it all? where was it spent? actually how much of other countries hard earned tax payers money was spent? was it really passed on or distributed among givers and takers??   But most important question is,, Did the past aids help reduce the poverty,illiteracy,helplessness of the masses or it helped our previous rulers and their friends in pakistan and out of pakistan?  And what guarantee do we have that this aid injected in pakistan&#8217;s failing economy not misused by establishment of the country??   If you are unable to answer half of these questions i seek, then i think you better inject this dose of aid somewhere its as badly needed as pakistan but well used.</p>
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		<title>By: Syed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Syed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,

I have a simple solution.

When we are not sure of how to spend why don&#039;t we ask the USA to select an US Based NGO and monitor the NGO. We can be 100% sure that every dollar goes where it should go. 

IT is clean and we will have no mess handling the toxic waste called aid money.

This way, we can be very sure that we will have no guilt feeling of having to live on the dole amount because we do not directly handle the money. Also the NGO have better track record of delivering the goods.

All will be happy except the discredited army, politicians and the mullah and their chela taliban.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I have a simple solution.</p>
<p>When we are not sure of how to spend why don&#8217;t we ask the USA to select an US Based NGO and monitor the NGO. We can be 100% sure that every dollar goes where it should go. </p>
<p>IT is clean and we will have no mess handling the toxic waste called aid money.</p>
<p>This way, we can be very sure that we will have no guilt feeling of having to live on the dole amount because we do not directly handle the money. Also the NGO have better track record of delivering the goods.</p>
<p>All will be happy except the discredited army, politicians and the mullah and their chela taliban.</p>
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		<title>By: Mudassir Jalal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mudassir Jalal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Educate the masses but should not be given to corrupt University Professors Mafia of Pakistan, who have done nothing for the good o f Pakistan even after getting millions of dollars from HEC. They just went on trips abroad and swallow all the money. Can they tell us what they did in Musharaf years when the door of treasury is open to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Educate the masses but should not be given to corrupt University Professors Mafia of Pakistan, who have done nothing for the good o f Pakistan even after getting millions of dollars from HEC. They just went on trips abroad and swallow all the money. Can they tell us what they did in Musharaf years when the door of treasury is open to them.</p>
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