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		<title>By: Aniq</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/26/what-can-be-done-to-placate-the-baloch/comment-page-2/#comment-4925</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aniq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simple , ignore the wishes of the balouch zamendaars and the pak govt must insist on building schools,colleges and hospital 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple , ignore the wishes of the balouch zamendaars and the pak govt must insist on building schools,colleges and hospital </p>
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		<title>By: shridharV</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/26/what-can-be-done-to-placate-the-baloch/comment-page-2/#comment-4718</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shridharV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is disheartening to see comments like &#039;Let these Balochs go if they want so that we can concentrate on Islam and the pure nation of Pakistan!&#039;, in one of the posts on this topic.

When will we realize that we have been saying the same things to Hindus, Sikhs, Ahmadiyyas, Bengalis, Sufis, and others for over 50 years.

The Hindus, Sikhs, Bengalis have left. The Ahmadiyyas went underground, the Sufis are slowly going underground or disappearing.

Religion (any religion) is only one component of a society, it has never successfully existed as the core.

It is high time to recognize this truth even if it is perceived as against teachings gleaned.

Baloch problems has many reasons including its tribal culture, negligence from Lahore, Karachi centered elite, effect of Afghanisation problems etc etc

All these issue need to be handled and with care.

Society is inherently messy and calls for purity will delay any cleaning up of the real problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is disheartening to see comments like &#8216;Let these Balochs go if they want so that we can concentrate on Islam and the pure nation of Pakistan!&#8217;, in one of the posts on this topic.</p>
<p>When will we realize that we have been saying the same things to Hindus, Sikhs, Ahmadiyyas, Bengalis, Sufis, and others for over 50 years.</p>
<p>The Hindus, Sikhs, Bengalis have left. The Ahmadiyyas went underground, the Sufis are slowly going underground or disappearing.</p>
<p>Religion (any religion) is only one component of a society, it has never successfully existed as the core.</p>
<p>It is high time to recognize this truth even if it is perceived as against teachings gleaned.</p>
<p>Baloch problems has many reasons including its tribal culture, negligence from Lahore, Karachi centered elite, effect of Afghanisation problems etc etc</p>
<p>All these issue need to be handled and with care.</p>
<p>Society is inherently messy and calls for purity will delay any cleaning up of the real problems.</p>
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		<title>By: j c</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/26/what-can-be-done-to-placate-the-baloch/comment-page-2/#comment-4672</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[j c]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is interesting to see the finger pointing towards India on this forum. Pakistan should grow out of its India fixation.

There are real internal threats in Pakistan and I see some opinions saying India is still the real threat. It is important to recognize real threats and also the fact that the 3 wars that were fought were not started by India. This is by no means implying that Indians are saints. Beyond terrorist attacks on Mumbai and such incidents, Indian public is not fixated on Pakistan anymore. Economy, growth etc. are the issues at the forefront and that is how it should be.

If there is a real Indian hand in Baloch issue, I am sure some credible evidence would come out. I don&#039;t think Indians are so smart to support such issues without leaving a trace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to see the finger pointing towards India on this forum. Pakistan should grow out of its India fixation.</p>
<p>There are real internal threats in Pakistan and I see some opinions saying India is still the real threat. It is important to recognize real threats and also the fact that the 3 wars that were fought were not started by India. This is by no means implying that Indians are saints. Beyond terrorist attacks on Mumbai and such incidents, Indian public is not fixated on Pakistan anymore. Economy, growth etc. are the issues at the forefront and that is how it should be.</p>
<p>If there is a real Indian hand in Baloch issue, I am sure some credible evidence would come out. I don&#8217;t think Indians are so smart to support such issues without leaving a trace.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashutosh Rai</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/26/what-can-be-done-to-placate-the-baloch/comment-page-2/#comment-4513</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ashutosh Rai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Yousaf,

By giving a man a fish, you can satisfy his hunger for a day. By teaching him who to fish, you can satisfy his hunger for a life time.

You may have to start with aid in to few people or in some area of the most underdeveloped part of Pakistan, but that is not the solution friend. Create infrastructure and creative assets, so that the problem is solved in a long run.

Just job and busy mind is not enough friend, please ensure equality and justice to every Pakistani including a Baloch. 

If there is an India hand, what took so long for Pakistan to expose them internationally? We are after Pakistan and had been exposing them for their blatant support to terrorist not only in India but to the entire world. You can see who the world had changed.

Support to terrorism of any form is against humanity. We are a secular, progressive and a vibrant democracy. We can not support terrorism of any sort. Tomorrow if Indians come to know that some government agency in propagating such heinous crime, we will vote that government out for sure. 

We do not want to be in the shoes of state that supports terrorism. We want every one in the world to treat us with respect and learn from us.

Regards,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Yousaf,</p>
<p>By giving a man a fish, you can satisfy his hunger for a day. By teaching him who to fish, you can satisfy his hunger for a life time.</p>
<p>You may have to start with aid in to few people or in some area of the most underdeveloped part of Pakistan, but that is not the solution friend. Create infrastructure and creative assets, so that the problem is solved in a long run.</p>
<p>Just job and busy mind is not enough friend, please ensure equality and justice to every Pakistani including a Baloch. </p>
<p>If there is an India hand, what took so long for Pakistan to expose them internationally? We are after Pakistan and had been exposing them for their blatant support to terrorist not only in India but to the entire world. You can see who the world had changed.</p>
<p>Support to terrorism of any form is against humanity. We are a secular, progressive and a vibrant democracy. We can not support terrorism of any sort. Tomorrow if Indians come to know that some government agency in propagating such heinous crime, we will vote that government out for sure. </p>
<p>We do not want to be in the shoes of state that supports terrorism. We want every one in the world to treat us with respect and learn from us.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: Ashutosh Rai</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/26/what-can-be-done-to-placate-the-baloch/comment-page-2/#comment-4509</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ashutosh Rai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear SK,

Believe me, if Sindh is seeking independence, and let for argument sake believe that they get independence, then … do you think all the problem will get solved?

Did every thing go right with Bangladesh? Things had been bad there as well. 

Dear friends, please believe me the strength is in Unity and not breaking up of Pakistan. Please refer to the “they and us” theory in my previous message. They and us will lead you to destruction … always for sure.

Believe me, as you people become democratic, secular and tolerant, development will follow. Development alone will solve most of your problems. The poorest of the poor Pakistani needs the attention and precedence over other Pakistani.

Economic development of Balochistan, will create a lot of opportunities for other part of Pakistan. Like it will provide a market for products of other Pakistani businesses, entrepreneurs for other part of the country can set up ancillary and auxiliary units in Balochistan etc. The newer industrial set will require talented staff. For which the business has to depend on more developed part of Pakistan.

My advice is to give up the idea of an independent Sindhdesh and work for a democratic, secular and progressive Pakistan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear SK,</p>
<p>Believe me, if Sindh is seeking independence, and let for argument sake believe that they get independence, then … do you think all the problem will get solved?</p>
<p>Did every thing go right with Bangladesh? Things had been bad there as well. </p>
<p>Dear friends, please believe me the strength is in Unity and not breaking up of Pakistan. Please refer to the “they and us” theory in my previous message. They and us will lead you to destruction … always for sure.</p>
<p>Believe me, as you people become democratic, secular and tolerant, development will follow. Development alone will solve most of your problems. The poorest of the poor Pakistani needs the attention and precedence over other Pakistani.</p>
<p>Economic development of Balochistan, will create a lot of opportunities for other part of Pakistan. Like it will provide a market for products of other Pakistani businesses, entrepreneurs for other part of the country can set up ancillary and auxiliary units in Balochistan etc. The newer industrial set will require talented staff. For which the business has to depend on more developed part of Pakistan.</p>
<p>My advice is to give up the idea of an independent Sindhdesh and work for a democratic, secular and progressive Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Usama Siddiq</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/26/what-can-be-done-to-placate-the-baloch/comment-page-2/#comment-4456</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Usama Siddiq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What we really need to do is grow up and put our petty ethnic difference aside, and that would automatically solve almost all of the problems we as a country face right now. 

The Baluchis deserve majority stake in anything birthed by their soil. That is certainly not an unfair demand. They have an equal right to education, health, proper infrastructure and every other facility we avail in the more developed parts the country, and not to mention take for granted. 

The Federal Government along with the Waderas and their progeny haven&#039;t done the Baluchi people any good since partition. We as a nation have to stop turning a blind eye towards all the corruption that surrounds us. We need to put an end to the same people entering public office to promote their private agendas over and over again. 

Most of all we need a new constitution, one that has not been amended 50 billion times, one that ensures freedom, justice, accountability and equality, one that upholds the vision of Muhammad Ali Jinnah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we really need to do is grow up and put our petty ethnic difference aside, and that would automatically solve almost all of the problems we as a country face right now. </p>
<p>The Baluchis deserve majority stake in anything birthed by their soil. That is certainly not an unfair demand. They have an equal right to education, health, proper infrastructure and every other facility we avail in the more developed parts the country, and not to mention take for granted. </p>
<p>The Federal Government along with the Waderas and their progeny haven&#8217;t done the Baluchi people any good since partition. We as a nation have to stop turning a blind eye towards all the corruption that surrounds us. We need to put an end to the same people entering public office to promote their private agendas over and over again. </p>
<p>Most of all we need a new constitution, one that has not been amended 50 billion times, one that ensures freedom, justice, accountability and equality, one that upholds the vision of Muhammad Ali Jinnah.</p>
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		<title>By: yousaf</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/26/what-can-be-done-to-placate-the-baloch/comment-page-2/#comment-4454</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yousaf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First identify those who are working against the state. Then if their crimes can be pardoned then do that. Expose the Indian hand behind them. Increase the flow of Aid. Also do the pshyowar. Give Balocah people more Jobs, a busy mind is much easier to handle. If somebody is still against the state pick them up, expose them in court. Do a media trial. If Punjab is getting X amount do to it&#039;s Y population, then Balcohistan should also be given Aid in same ratio.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First identify those who are working against the state. Then if their crimes can be pardoned then do that. Expose the Indian hand behind them. Increase the flow of Aid. Also do the pshyowar. Give Balocah people more Jobs, a busy mind is much easier to handle. If somebody is still against the state pick them up, expose them in court. Do a media trial. If Punjab is getting X amount do to it&#8217;s Y population, then Balcohistan should also be given Aid in same ratio.</p>
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		<title>By: Wasit</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/26/what-can-be-done-to-placate-the-baloch/comment-page-2/#comment-4422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wasit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My answer to those asking for independence for Balochistan:

. You were given this chance by the Qaid in 1947 but you including your icon the late Nawab Akbar Bugti, chose to join Pakistan of its own free will. Such choices are never given twice.

. Since 1947 hundreds of thousands of hard working non-Baloch have made your province as their home. Today, they are more non Baloch in Balochistan than the Baloch. Also, they have greater loyalty to Balochistan and Pakistan than your sardars do. What will happen to them if you get independence?

Gwadar was not a part of Balochistan in 1947. It was owned by a Sheikh from the Gulf. Pakistan acquired it for you and has invested  a fortune in making it a deep sea port. It obviously cannot be given away to placate a handful of miscreants. 

Sui has been developed by Pakistani money. What did the Baloch do to make it viable and inter alia, what claim do they have on it?

It is not Pakistan but the other two neighbours that are in illegal occupation of vast tracts of Balochistan. The Baloch should be demanding their land from them and not from Pakistan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My answer to those asking for independence for Balochistan:</p>
<p>. You were given this chance by the Qaid in 1947 but you including your icon the late Nawab Akbar Bugti, chose to join Pakistan of its own free will. Such choices are never given twice.</p>
<p>. Since 1947 hundreds of thousands of hard working non-Baloch have made your province as their home. Today, they are more non Baloch in Balochistan than the Baloch. Also, they have greater loyalty to Balochistan and Pakistan than your sardars do. What will happen to them if you get independence?</p>
<p>Gwadar was not a part of Balochistan in 1947. It was owned by a Sheikh from the Gulf. Pakistan acquired it for you and has invested  a fortune in making it a deep sea port. It obviously cannot be given away to placate a handful of miscreants. </p>
<p>Sui has been developed by Pakistani money. What did the Baloch do to make it viable and inter alia, what claim do they have on it?</p>
<p>It is not Pakistan but the other two neighbours that are in illegal occupation of vast tracts of Balochistan. The Baloch should be demanding their land from them and not from Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Feroo</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/26/what-can-be-done-to-placate-the-baloch/comment-page-2/#comment-4418</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Feroo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What we Pakistanis are lacking is a good education system in our country. 
We should provide our YOUTH with the BEST education and the rest will fall in to place automatically. 
We all love our country so let&#039;s stop fighting about who is right or wrong and start focusing on a brighter and better future of our beloved Pakistan.
Education is the KEY!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we Pakistanis are lacking is a good education system in our country.<br />
We should provide our YOUTH with the BEST education and the rest will fall in to place automatically.<br />
We all love our country so let&#8217;s stop fighting about who is right or wrong and start focusing on a brighter and better future of our beloved Pakistan.<br />
Education is the KEY!!!</p>
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		<title>By: S.K</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/04/26/what-can-be-done-to-placate-the-baloch/comment-page-2/#comment-4402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S.K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr ashutosh.
Well you are probably well grown up man then why do you behave as innocent as butter will not melt in your mouth. Sindhi people are themselves asking for independence. They themselves are exploited. Given the chance they will opt for independence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr ashutosh.<br />
Well you are probably well grown up man then why do you behave as innocent as butter will not melt in your mouth. Sindhi people are themselves asking for independence. They themselves are exploited. Given the chance they will opt for independence.</p>
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