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		<title>By: Dilip</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/05/04/thirst-for-revenge/comment-page-6/#comment-6857</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dilip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@FARZANA.
Most of the TALIBAN are Jihadis. They have been misled. They are Pakistanis. The army should disarm them. Provide them with skills in order for them to live a meaningfull life. The key here is EDUCATION.  First they are brainwashed then they are made use off. How many will the army eliminate? If they just remove their beards and change location, they will be lost.
Yes, jail those that were resposible for brainwashing them, but dont KILL them for the killings will never stop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FARZANA.<br />
Most of the TALIBAN are Jihadis. They have been misled. They are Pakistanis. The army should disarm them. Provide them with skills in order for them to live a meaningfull life. The key here is EDUCATION.  First they are brainwashed then they are made use off. How many will the army eliminate? If they just remove their beards and change location, they will be lost.<br />
Yes, jail those that were resposible for brainwashing them, but dont KILL them for the killings will never stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Montesir</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/05/04/thirst-for-revenge/comment-page-6/#comment-6840</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Montesir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my opinion Pakistan should make an example of all captured Taliban and other militants who take the power into their hands. There should be swift action similar to what Iran did with the attackers in Zahedan. Take public action so that no one would  dare challenge the writ of the state in future. 

Abdul Aziz should be taken firm action against  for continuing to foster hatred and rebellion. He has no right to impose his will on others. He is worse than the taliban fighting in the mountains since he is the sowing the seeds of hatred by polluting our youths minds.  

I would also like to comment on the pathetic speed at which the Government has moved in proving the case against Abdul Aziz. 
God save Pakistan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion Pakistan should make an example of all captured Taliban and other militants who take the power into their hands. There should be swift action similar to what Iran did with the attackers in Zahedan. Take public action so that no one would  dare challenge the writ of the state in future. </p>
<p>Abdul Aziz should be taken firm action against  for continuing to foster hatred and rebellion. He has no right to impose his will on others. He is worse than the taliban fighting in the mountains since he is the sowing the seeds of hatred by polluting our youths minds.  </p>
<p>I would also like to comment on the pathetic speed at which the Government has moved in proving the case against Abdul Aziz.<br />
God save Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: hn</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/05/04/thirst-for-revenge/comment-page-6/#comment-6700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Farzana,

I think you misunderstood the basic premise of the conflict. I don&#039;t think anybody is killing them because they are uncouth or poor. They were in fact given what they wanted by the current democratically elected president. Clearly what they demonstrated was that they wanted to take over the country and establish their version of Sharia. That&#039;s why the conflict brew. It is now or never for Jinnah&#039;s version of Pakistan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farzana,</p>
<p>I think you misunderstood the basic premise of the conflict. I don&#8217;t think anybody is killing them because they are uncouth or poor. They were in fact given what they wanted by the current democratically elected president. Clearly what they demonstrated was that they wanted to take over the country and establish their version of Sharia. That&#8217;s why the conflict brew. It is now or never for Jinnah&#8217;s version of Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammed Hassanali</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/05/04/thirst-for-revenge/comment-page-5/#comment-6586</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mohammed Hassanali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The question should not be about the revenge of victims of Islamabad&#039;s Lal Masjid (if that is true in the first place) but rather how did we arrive at the situation that we are facing today in Sarhad and FATA because that&#039;s where the rootcause can be found if Pakistani establishment is sincere to solve it.
Why weren&#039;t the Talibans and Al-Qaeda in particular and all the freedom fighters in general, not unarmed and helped to get back to the normal life once the Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989?
The reason is quite obvious. Pakistani military establishment wanted to use these fighers to get involved in the proxy wars in India in general and in Kashmir in particular and so they kept arming and funding these fighters and eventually put them into power in Afghanistan.
Not just that but to keep the flow of fighers at a regular pace at the time of Soviet occupation, the military government of General Zia-ul-Haq even allowed the religiously oriented political parties to establish the madrassahs without any state control where a very narrow perception of Islam was being taught.
These are just two of the many reasons which led to the situation which led to the military intervention into the Lal Masjid last year.
This is the basic qusetion that needs a serious thinking and how to durably eradicate this phenomenon. 
Until this situation is not resolved, all other actions (although absolutely necessary )will prove to be temporary solutions and the prime problem will keep on coming back to haunt us all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question should not be about the revenge of victims of Islamabad&#8217;s Lal Masjid (if that is true in the first place) but rather how did we arrive at the situation that we are facing today in Sarhad and FATA because that&#8217;s where the rootcause can be found if Pakistani establishment is sincere to solve it.<br />
Why weren&#8217;t the Talibans and Al-Qaeda in particular and all the freedom fighters in general, not unarmed and helped to get back to the normal life once the Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989?<br />
The reason is quite obvious. Pakistani military establishment wanted to use these fighers to get involved in the proxy wars in India in general and in Kashmir in particular and so they kept arming and funding these fighters and eventually put them into power in Afghanistan.<br />
Not just that but to keep the flow of fighers at a regular pace at the time of Soviet occupation, the military government of General Zia-ul-Haq even allowed the religiously oriented political parties to establish the madrassahs without any state control where a very narrow perception of Islam was being taught.<br />
These are just two of the many reasons which led to the situation which led to the military intervention into the Lal Masjid last year.<br />
This is the basic qusetion that needs a serious thinking and how to durably eradicate this phenomenon.<br />
Until this situation is not resolved, all other actions (although absolutely necessary )will prove to be temporary solutions and the prime problem will keep on coming back to haunt us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/05/04/thirst-for-revenge/comment-page-5/#comment-6292</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Current tragical political situation in Pakistan intrinsically deals with correspondence between “global wealth distribution” and global terrorism as a new phenomenon in the 21st century, rather than with radicalization of Islamic society.. Because that the solution of the Pakistani crisis need an new approach to global economy as effective tools for political reform of societal reorganization of Islamic society, encouraging  economic and technological development of Islamic world with new social and political vision, keeping the tradition, religion and culture of Islam intact. Only a new approach could help to transform global ideology network of terror into political movement capable to significantly contribute to democratic development  and to create an new links between government and local society in Islamic countries and to create an new links between Western and Islamic civilization, as well. The strategy for solution of Pakistan’s crisis should include strategy of six moves: 1. Building of Welfare Society: local government/elite – global/local   market; 2. Building Secure State:  local government/elites – local society (every day life conditions); 3.Building Open Society: local government/elites – local institutions and international organisations; 4. Building Democratic State: Local government/elites -Power and Social Privileges – Governance - Administrative Control and  Command over the Means of Coercion 5. Building Self-Identity Society: local governemnt/elites – global market- local cultural &amp; traditional system of values; 6.Building Self-Changeable Government: Using non coercive instruments to promote
democratisation and state-building. 

By implementing this strategy entire Pakistan&#039;s society should be encouraged to move in new direction with a new modern Islamic identity, without mutual killing and destroing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Current tragical political situation in Pakistan intrinsically deals with correspondence between “global wealth distribution” and global terrorism as a new phenomenon in the 21st century, rather than with radicalization of Islamic society.. Because that the solution of the Pakistani crisis need an new approach to global economy as effective tools for political reform of societal reorganization of Islamic society, encouraging  economic and technological development of Islamic world with new social and political vision, keeping the tradition, religion and culture of Islam intact. Only a new approach could help to transform global ideology network of terror into political movement capable to significantly contribute to democratic development  and to create an new links between government and local society in Islamic countries and to create an new links between Western and Islamic civilization, as well. The strategy for solution of Pakistan’s crisis should include strategy of six moves: 1. Building of Welfare Society: local government/elite – global/local   market; 2. Building Secure State:  local government/elites – local society (every day life conditions); 3.Building Open Society: local government/elites – local institutions and international organisations; 4. Building Democratic State: Local government/elites -Power and Social Privileges – Governance &#8211; Administrative Control and  Command over the Means of Coercion 5. Building Self-Identity Society: local governemnt/elites – global market- local cultural &amp; traditional system of values; 6.Building Self-Changeable Government: Using non coercive instruments to promote<br />
democratisation and state-building. </p>
<p>By implementing this strategy entire Pakistan&#8217;s society should be encouraged to move in new direction with a new modern Islamic identity, without mutual killing and destroing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr shafik    Dir</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/05/04/thirst-for-revenge/comment-page-5/#comment-6290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr shafik    Dir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[in my openion there is only one solution to the mesireis and backwardness of our country and the region at large is to welcome secularism for all times to come . ban by force all the religouse institutions , religious fanatic parties (political all religous ) ,purge every isntitution from the ji and other buggers .
all the religious political leadership shoud be convicted on treason and bringing to the nation every misery and misfortunes by thier stupid idealogies .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in my openion there is only one solution to the mesireis and backwardness of our country and the region at large is to welcome secularism for all times to come . ban by force all the religouse institutions , religious fanatic parties (political all religous ) ,purge every isntitution from the ji and other buggers .<br />
all the religious political leadership shoud be convicted on treason and bringing to the nation every misery and misfortunes by thier stupid idealogies .</p>
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		<title>By: Mustafa</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/05/04/thirst-for-revenge/comment-page-5/#comment-6285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mustafa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Farzana, you said &quot;Yes stoning, flogging and beheading may be uncivilise… but how civilise is it to advocate the killing of people in the country just becoz they are backward?&quot;

What if your father or husband or son was beheaded in front of your eyes. Will you forgive the killer and say &quot;Let him do what he is doing, it is not his fault?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farzana, you said &#8220;Yes stoning, flogging and beheading may be uncivilise… but how civilise is it to advocate the killing of people in the country just becoz they are backward?&#8221;</p>
<p>What if your father or husband or son was beheaded in front of your eyes. Will you forgive the killer and say &#8220;Let him do what he is doing, it is not his fault?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Saud Khan</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/05/04/thirst-for-revenge/comment-page-5/#comment-6221</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saud Khan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[two wrongs dont make a right. the problem is not linked with the lal masjid episode. It is a logical fallacy to justify the wrong doings of the Taliban. the people fighting against the Government have no links with the Lal Masjid at large. What is the reson Maulana is saying this is because he wants people to think that what he did was rite. but the people are not idiots and have their mind to think. the operation would have taken place even if we isolate the Lal Masjid episode.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two wrongs dont make a right. the problem is not linked with the lal masjid episode. It is a logical fallacy to justify the wrong doings of the Taliban. the people fighting against the Government have no links with the Lal Masjid at large. What is the reson Maulana is saying this is because he wants people to think that what he did was rite. but the people are not idiots and have their mind to think. the operation would have taken place even if we isolate the Lal Masjid episode.</p>
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		<title>By: Mustafa</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/05/04/thirst-for-revenge/comment-page-5/#comment-6219</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mustafa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Government of Pakistan and  its Army have no choice but to  liquidate the rebel terrorists who have killed  innocent men, women and children as well as raised arms against the Army of Pakistan. They deserve harsh punishment, not negotiations for co-existence.

If President Musharraf had not joined  United States in fight against terrorists, the common enemies of mankind, probably Pakistan would have become devastated  like  Iraq and Afganistan. In fact Musharraf saved Pakistan.

If Government of Pakistan and Pakistan Army do not take prompt and firm action now to liquidate the terrorist elements within Pakistan,  there will be much greater price to pay. The enemies of Pakistan  within Pakistan will become stronger and the world community will have no sympathy and financial support for Pakistan.

This Jirga meetings to negotiate with terrorists is fatal blunder. The outside world will look at it as abrogating the responsibility of defending Pakistan from its sworn enemies who have accumulated fire power to fight Pakistan Army. Defending Pakistan is the sole responsibility of Government of Pakistan, not the provincial government or Qabilahs or Jirgas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government of Pakistan and  its Army have no choice but to  liquidate the rebel terrorists who have killed  innocent men, women and children as well as raised arms against the Army of Pakistan. They deserve harsh punishment, not negotiations for co-existence.</p>
<p>If President Musharraf had not joined  United States in fight against terrorists, the common enemies of mankind, probably Pakistan would have become devastated  like  Iraq and Afganistan. In fact Musharraf saved Pakistan.</p>
<p>If Government of Pakistan and Pakistan Army do not take prompt and firm action now to liquidate the terrorist elements within Pakistan,  there will be much greater price to pay. The enemies of Pakistan  within Pakistan will become stronger and the world community will have no sympathy and financial support for Pakistan.</p>
<p>This Jirga meetings to negotiate with terrorists is fatal blunder. The outside world will look at it as abrogating the responsibility of defending Pakistan from its sworn enemies who have accumulated fire power to fight Pakistan Army. Defending Pakistan is the sole responsibility of Government of Pakistan, not the provincial government or Qabilahs or Jirgas.</p>
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		<title>By: Chari</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chari]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, an average Pakistani is a victim of its political and military leaders. Now Pakistan should do what is best for Pakistan. The extremist monsters were created by these leaders in order to control the public and build Swiss accounts.
Pakistan had best chance after Bangladesh formed to reduce military spending and concentrate on economy and become a strong rich nation. The leaders blew it.
This is a great opportunity, defeat extremists, reduce military expenditure, avoid nuclear weapons and become rich and strong.
It would be so nice if Pakistan does that!!
Pakistan will never be insignificant nation. It will be a leader of Islamic nations if she becomes rich and strong economically, not militarily!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, an average Pakistani is a victim of its political and military leaders. Now Pakistan should do what is best for Pakistan. The extremist monsters were created by these leaders in order to control the public and build Swiss accounts.<br />
Pakistan had best chance after Bangladesh formed to reduce military spending and concentrate on economy and become a strong rich nation. The leaders blew it.<br />
This is a great opportunity, defeat extremists, reduce military expenditure, avoid nuclear weapons and become rich and strong.<br />
It would be so nice if Pakistan does that!!<br />
Pakistan will never be insignificant nation. It will be a leader of Islamic nations if she becomes rich and strong economically, not militarily!</p>
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