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		<title>By: Tariq Mahmood</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tariq Mahmood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is not a strategy but emergent need.  Anyhow we must create a sence of honour in us respect ourself.  Our enemy is not America! but our ignorance and lack of respect for this god gifted homeland.  Food help is good but army help is also required.  
We thank America for help, even if they will help we have to fight with these shepherd guised wolves who are prone to degrade the enlightened religion of our beloved prophet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a strategy but emergent need.  Anyhow we must create a sence of honour in us respect ourself.  Our enemy is not America! but our ignorance and lack of respect for this god gifted homeland.  Food help is good but army help is also required.<br />
We thank America for help, even if they will help we have to fight with these shepherd guised wolves who are prone to degrade the enlightened religion of our beloved prophet.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Mujeeb Khan</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/05/21/american-food-vs-military-aid/comment-page-3/#comment-6842</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abdul Mujeeb Khan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[USA and Pak should open training institutions for IDPs:

Thank you very much for your acknowledging your past slip-up. I’m really appreciating your sprite for the people of Pakistan. As you said that; we are responsible for this ongoing muddle in Pakistan. I hope your familiar about current situation in NWFP. Pakistani government is struggling to smooth down this anarchy with utilizing best available resources. But disorder is not so easy that only Pakistani government can overcome quickly. Both Pakistani and USA government are equally responsible to handle this problem that can affect positively for this community. 3 millions helpless IDPs are immediately need attention of both US and Pakistani government. If we sort-out students from IDPs.  For example half million is the total students population then your government would be responsible for 2, 50000 students education and similarly 2, 50000 Pakistani govt. Both should immediately open IT training schools, nursing, and vocational schools for IDPs for three years; where they can get free life skill training and education. I think to do this, would give gigantic positive results for tribal areas of Pakistan and help improve image  of both governments]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USA and Pak should open training institutions for IDPs:</p>
<p>Thank you very much for your acknowledging your past slip-up. I’m really appreciating your sprite for the people of Pakistan. As you said that; we are responsible for this ongoing muddle in Pakistan. I hope your familiar about current situation in NWFP. Pakistani government is struggling to smooth down this anarchy with utilizing best available resources. But disorder is not so easy that only Pakistani government can overcome quickly. Both Pakistani and USA government are equally responsible to handle this problem that can affect positively for this community. 3 millions helpless IDPs are immediately need attention of both US and Pakistani government. If we sort-out students from IDPs.  For example half million is the total students population then your government would be responsible for 2, 50000 students education and similarly 2, 50000 Pakistani govt. Both should immediately open IT training schools, nursing, and vocational schools for IDPs for three years; where they can get free life skill training and education. I think to do this, would give gigantic positive results for tribal areas of Pakistan and help improve image  of both governments</p>
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		<title>By: Absar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Absar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kevin 

The question that tickles me is why Pakistan can&#039;t have Nukes for self-defense when countries like India, Israel, US, China, France, Russia, Britain etc. possess Nukes too.

I&#039;m against Nukes altogether. But when other countries can have Nukes merely for self-defense then why not Pakistan for the same ostensible reason.

About the food US is providing to Pakistani IDPs, I think saying a &#039;thank you&#039; in response isn&#039;t compulsory. I don&#039;t want to dive in the sea of ethics and morals -- which aren&#039;t a part of Washington - so expect the same from a lot of people here. Nonetheless, I pay my regards.  Pardon me for any words you didn&#039;t like here.  


Believe it or not, Pakistanis en masse work hard to see a good future of the country - not to see the drone attacks that kills 100&#039;s of innocents. Btw, how many direct/indirect wars US has fought to date?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin </p>
<p>The question that tickles me is why Pakistan can&#8217;t have Nukes for self-defense when countries like India, Israel, US, China, France, Russia, Britain etc. possess Nukes too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m against Nukes altogether. But when other countries can have Nukes merely for self-defense then why not Pakistan for the same ostensible reason.</p>
<p>About the food US is providing to Pakistani IDPs, I think saying a &#8216;thank you&#8217; in response isn&#8217;t compulsory. I don&#8217;t want to dive in the sea of ethics and morals &#8212; which aren&#8217;t a part of Washington &#8211; so expect the same from a lot of people here. Nonetheless, I pay my regards.  Pardon me for any words you didn&#8217;t like here.  </p>
<p>Believe it or not, Pakistanis en masse work hard to see a good future of the country &#8211; not to see the drone attacks that kills 100&#8217;s of innocents. Btw, how many direct/indirect wars US has fought to date?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The essence of the whole issue of aid is that what is this aid going to substitute? Utilisation of American aid to Pakistan is a history of unaccountability and misappropriation as I would say aided and abetted by the Americans themselves. Americans have often turned a blind eye to the utilisation of its aid to countries where it suites them to achieve their aims. 

Today why Pakistan needs aid is due to Pakistan following an American agenda since the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The made you do the dirty job, made some Pakistanis filthy rich and then left it to the Pakistanis to clean up the muck. Pakistanis on their part because of their paranoia about India wanted the Americans close to them and the American money to buy arms to counter India. Between America, Pakistan and China, everything written in the book relating to Nuclear and Missile Proliferation was ignored and violated.  

Dear people of Pakistan if you use American money to buy food and run your country and you use Pakistani money to buy arms to match up India militarily you perhaps know the direction you are heading in. India has an enormous capacity to increase its military spending without getting in to debit trap. Indian economists are very smart and clever to that. India has to match upto China militarily; we have lot of unfinished agenda with China. It is this perilous arms race that Pakistan wants to join in and run itself out. As long as these agendas are pursued Pakistan has no where to go but to be at the mercy of aid giving nations who at one time may start to dictate to Pakistan their internal policies. Aid is a double edged sword given for a particular purpose and this sword can be used to extract a “Pound Of Flesh”. A pound of flesh where the sovereignty of Pakistan as a  nation becomes a questionable issue.  

American tax payer has no love lost for Pakistan, it is the US government that has an agenda. I would say that you thank the Americans, keep them at a distance; clean up the mess in your country, shore up you economy and move on. Take India as an example and not as an adversary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The essence of the whole issue of aid is that what is this aid going to substitute? Utilisation of American aid to Pakistan is a history of unaccountability and misappropriation as I would say aided and abetted by the Americans themselves. Americans have often turned a blind eye to the utilisation of its aid to countries where it suites them to achieve their aims. </p>
<p>Today why Pakistan needs aid is due to Pakistan following an American agenda since the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The made you do the dirty job, made some Pakistanis filthy rich and then left it to the Pakistanis to clean up the muck. Pakistanis on their part because of their paranoia about India wanted the Americans close to them and the American money to buy arms to counter India. Between America, Pakistan and China, everything written in the book relating to Nuclear and Missile Proliferation was ignored and violated.  </p>
<p>Dear people of Pakistan if you use American money to buy food and run your country and you use Pakistani money to buy arms to match up India militarily you perhaps know the direction you are heading in. India has an enormous capacity to increase its military spending without getting in to debit trap. Indian economists are very smart and clever to that. India has to match upto China militarily; we have lot of unfinished agenda with China. It is this perilous arms race that Pakistan wants to join in and run itself out. As long as these agendas are pursued Pakistan has no where to go but to be at the mercy of aid giving nations who at one time may start to dictate to Pakistan their internal policies. Aid is a double edged sword given for a particular purpose and this sword can be used to extract a “Pound Of Flesh”. A pound of flesh where the sovereignty of Pakistan as a  nation becomes a questionable issue.  </p>
<p>American tax payer has no love lost for Pakistan, it is the US government that has an agenda. I would say that you thank the Americans, keep them at a distance; clean up the mess in your country, shore up you economy and move on. Take India as an example and not as an adversary.</p>
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		<title>By: ak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does it matter what label the aid is given under arms or food? Do you think the current corrupt leadership will allow the Pakistani people to benefit either way?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it matter what label the aid is given under arms or food? Do you think the current corrupt leadership will allow the Pakistani people to benefit either way?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am 60 yrs old and during my lifetime I rarely see any Country say &quot;thank you&quot; for the aid that the American Taxpayers provide.  Over the yrs it has become an entitlement. Pakistan is no exception.

On any given day you can read plenty of nasty quips on Dawn about how American is the root of all your problems .. but that&#039;s just nonsense and fortunately it sounds like some Pakistani&#039;s are figuring that out.  

The largest barrier to Pakistan/USA relations was your decision to develop NUKES - pretty much the same problem that the USA had with India.  In hind site I suspect many people would argue that India and Pakistan would have been better off w/o nukes as their enormous expense has not increased security.

Believe it or not - American taxpayers have to work hard to pay taxes and most American&#039;s are just ordinary people with little excess cash to spend on people who don&#039;t appreciate their effort.

Sometimes a simple &quot;thank you&quot; goes a long way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 60 yrs old and during my lifetime I rarely see any Country say &#8220;thank you&#8221; for the aid that the American Taxpayers provide.  Over the yrs it has become an entitlement. Pakistan is no exception.</p>
<p>On any given day you can read plenty of nasty quips on Dawn about how American is the root of all your problems .. but that&#8217;s just nonsense and fortunately it sounds like some Pakistani&#8217;s are figuring that out.  </p>
<p>The largest barrier to Pakistan/USA relations was your decision to develop NUKES &#8211; pretty much the same problem that the USA had with India.  In hind site I suspect many people would argue that India and Pakistan would have been better off w/o nukes as their enormous expense has not increased security.</p>
<p>Believe it or not &#8211; American taxpayers have to work hard to pay taxes and most American&#8217;s are just ordinary people with little excess cash to spend on people who don&#8217;t appreciate their effort.</p>
<p>Sometimes a simple &#8220;thank you&#8221; goes a long way.</p>
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		<title>By: Proud Pakistani</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Proud Pakistani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Assalam-Alaikum Public-e-Pakistan

My respected friends, the issue we are dealing is like a cancer and we are consistently trying to cure it with chemotherapy, which won&#039;t eliminate the disease. We need to be like Armstrong, don&#039;t give in and certainly don&#039;t give up. Every nation goes through with this menace of civil wars, political drama and economy being not stable, due to the system we follow is non workable. The problem lies in every root of the nation, may it be law and order, judiciary, constitution, public sectors or private sectors. I mean everything is a mess. We need to build ourselves before we can build the nation. We need to educate ourselves and than educate the people around us. By education I mean is education of the world and as well as our beautiful deen (religion). &quot;Knowledge is power&quot; and with this power any nation can rule the world. Regardless of land size and population. See Deen&#039;s education will provide us with everyday life style in a perfect manner and wordly education will strive us to enhance technology. By respected brothers don&#039;t jeopardize education for any reason what so ever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalam-Alaikum Public-e-Pakistan</p>
<p>My respected friends, the issue we are dealing is like a cancer and we are consistently trying to cure it with chemotherapy, which won&#8217;t eliminate the disease. We need to be like Armstrong, don&#8217;t give in and certainly don&#8217;t give up. Every nation goes through with this menace of civil wars, political drama and economy being not stable, due to the system we follow is non workable. The problem lies in every root of the nation, may it be law and order, judiciary, constitution, public sectors or private sectors. I mean everything is a mess. We need to build ourselves before we can build the nation. We need to educate ourselves and than educate the people around us. By education I mean is education of the world and as well as our beautiful deen (religion). &#8220;Knowledge is power&#8221; and with this power any nation can rule the world. Regardless of land size and population. See Deen&#8217;s education will provide us with everyday life style in a perfect manner and wordly education will strive us to enhance technology. By respected brothers don&#8217;t jeopardize education for any reason what so ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Syed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Syed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[America is the core of all problems. Does anyone think that Pakistani people fighting against Taliban is not admitting the faults? But America only admits the fault through the word of mouth, action is yet to be taken. They are still using Pakistanis for their own war. They should also come forward with their flesh and soul and kill as much Taliban as possible without killing innocent people. But can u expect that it will do this. No way. Moreover, what have they done to Iran? Iraq? ... Why don&#039;t they stop it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America is the core of all problems. Does anyone think that Pakistani people fighting against Taliban is not admitting the faults? But America only admits the fault through the word of mouth, action is yet to be taken. They are still using Pakistanis for their own war. They should also come forward with their flesh and soul and kill as much Taliban as possible without killing innocent people. But can u expect that it will do this. No way. Moreover, what have they done to Iran? Iraq? &#8230; Why don&#8217;t they stop it?</p>
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		<title>By: profileae</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[profileae]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aid from US no problem , my only submission is that a body be formed to regulate its distribution for obvious reasons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aid from US no problem , my only submission is that a body be formed to regulate its distribution for obvious reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: SC Batra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SC Batra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel bad that area now in pak was granery of India before partition and is now not able to provide food. 

Forget politics, lets work hard to solve the food shortages. 

We can do it and we will do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel bad that area now in pak was granery of India before partition and is now not able to provide food. </p>
<p>Forget politics, lets work hard to solve the food shortages. </p>
<p>We can do it and we will do it.</p>
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