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		<title>By: Taatya Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taatya Singh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kumbhakaran65,

Not sure where you get your numbers from. 
&quot;1.5 million muslims killed&quot; ?

Not sure if you have noticed the decline in percentage of Hindus in Pakistan and the increase in percentage terms of Muslims in India. Not the sort of thing that happens following a massacre of the proportions you mention.


Yes, Indian society (Hindu and Muslim) has a lot of ills that need to be fixed. No Indian is proud of these things. We will fix it through our democratic system, not through the temple priests.

But it&#039;s funny that someone like you who wants a secular Pakistan only wants Indian celebrities who happen to be Muslim. 

If that is your idea of diversity, have fun playing in the well thinking that&#039;s the whole world. 

This kind of thnking is many centuries behind times as Kemal Ataturk was ahead of his time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kumbhakaran65,</p>
<p>Not sure where you get your numbers from.<br />
&#8220;1.5 million muslims killed&#8221; ?</p>
<p>Not sure if you have noticed the decline in percentage of Hindus in Pakistan and the increase in percentage terms of Muslims in India. Not the sort of thing that happens following a massacre of the proportions you mention.</p>
<p>Yes, Indian society (Hindu and Muslim) has a lot of ills that need to be fixed. No Indian is proud of these things. We will fix it through our democratic system, not through the temple priests.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s funny that someone like you who wants a secular Pakistan only wants Indian celebrities who happen to be Muslim. </p>
<p>If that is your idea of diversity, have fun playing in the well thinking that&#8217;s the whole world. </p>
<p>This kind of thnking is many centuries behind times as Kemal Ataturk was ahead of his time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TO all the Pakistanis who are saying that India has denied them their share of water.On Dawn News or Express 24/7 ,during the recent Indus water treaty negotiations,the chief Pakistani was quoted as saying that Pakistan did not recieve its fair share of water due to the lack of rainfall. The dams were not the cause.So lets not make a mountain out of a molehill]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO all the Pakistanis who are saying that India has denied them their share of water.On Dawn News or Express 24/7 ,during the recent Indus water treaty negotiations,the chief Pakistani was quoted as saying that Pakistan did not recieve its fair share of water due to the lack of rainfall. The dams were not the cause.So lets not make a mountain out of a molehill</p>
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		<title>By: azimganj</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[azimganj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is some honest truth. Scratch any Indian, below the polite veneer, the image of Pakistan is a land of 70 million, madrasa-educated, feudal minded people. He is happy that such a huge mess is not part of India. India will not accept Pakistan even if Pakistan offers to merge with India. So banish the thought from your minds that India wants to reunite with Pakistan.

About our Moghul heritage, all I wanted to say has very eloquently been written by Aziz Mirza. All Indians, hindus or otherwise, are proud of our Moghul Heritage. Red Fort is ours, Taj Mahal is ours, Fatehpur SIkri is ours, Akbar-Shajahan-Aurangzeb is we, Mirza Ghalib is ours, Katthak and Ghazal is ours.  Moghul empire is ours and we are immensely proud of it.

@Kumbhakaran: You say:

&quot;..Pakistan needs M.J.Akbar, Shabana Azmi, Sania Mirza, M.F.Husain, Azim Premji, Abdul Kalam, A.R. Rehman, and Pataudi. We need the metal worker from Moradabad, the tanner from Vaniyambadi, the Mapilla fishermen from Kerala, the chikan tailor from Lucknow, the baker from Bombay, and the weaver from Calcutta....&quot;.

Fine but if you take them you also will have to accept Indian ethos and secular outlook. Sania Mirza is comfortable wearing short skirts to which your mullahs will fume, My class friend M.J. Akbar has a hindu wife, Shabana Azmi personifies secular, non-religious Indian, Abdul kalam is a vegetarian and a scholar of hindu scripture Geeta and close to jain monks, A. R. Rehman -- born Hindu, Pataudi, again married to Hindu film actress, Hussain-- makes wonderful paintings of Hindu godesses -- I am afraid your mullahs will issue fatwas to kill him. All these people could make hindu or hinduism part of their lives -- I wonder what that will do to the preset Pakistani ethos? 

The rest of the examples you gave is unfortunate -- are muslims in India only artisans from verious parts of the country? You dont want our muslim singers, players, writers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is some honest truth. Scratch any Indian, below the polite veneer, the image of Pakistan is a land of 70 million, madrasa-educated, feudal minded people. He is happy that such a huge mess is not part of India. India will not accept Pakistan even if Pakistan offers to merge with India. So banish the thought from your minds that India wants to reunite with Pakistan.</p>
<p>About our Moghul heritage, all I wanted to say has very eloquently been written by Aziz Mirza. All Indians, hindus or otherwise, are proud of our Moghul Heritage. Red Fort is ours, Taj Mahal is ours, Fatehpur SIkri is ours, Akbar-Shajahan-Aurangzeb is we, Mirza Ghalib is ours, Katthak and Ghazal is ours.  Moghul empire is ours and we are immensely proud of it.</p>
<p>@Kumbhakaran: You say:</p>
<p>&#8220;..Pakistan needs M.J.Akbar, Shabana Azmi, Sania Mirza, M.F.Husain, Azim Premji, Abdul Kalam, A.R. Rehman, and Pataudi. We need the metal worker from Moradabad, the tanner from Vaniyambadi, the Mapilla fishermen from Kerala, the chikan tailor from Lucknow, the baker from Bombay, and the weaver from Calcutta&#8230;.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Fine but if you take them you also will have to accept Indian ethos and secular outlook. Sania Mirza is comfortable wearing short skirts to which your mullahs will fume, My class friend M.J. Akbar has a hindu wife, Shabana Azmi personifies secular, non-religious Indian, Abdul kalam is a vegetarian and a scholar of hindu scripture Geeta and close to jain monks, A. R. Rehman &#8212; born Hindu, Pataudi, again married to Hindu film actress, Hussain&#8211; makes wonderful paintings of Hindu godesses &#8212; I am afraid your mullahs will issue fatwas to kill him. All these people could make hindu or hinduism part of their lives &#8212; I wonder what that will do to the preset Pakistani ethos? </p>
<p>The rest of the examples you gave is unfortunate &#8212; are muslims in India only artisans from verious parts of the country? You dont want our muslim singers, players, writers?</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq Mahmood</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/05/23/congress-victory-boon-or-bane-for-pakistan/comment-page-5/#comment-6871</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tariq Mahmood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my opinion, Indian politician mainly base their politics on showing enmity to Pakistan either it is BJP or Congress.  But it is sure that culturally they are our brothers.  India says Pakistan is part of India but being a Pakistani I say that India is part of Pakistan.  

India means people living near Indus who are they? Pakistani or Indian!

Mumlikat-e-Khudadad Pakistan was not based on hatred of our brothers on the other side of border but it was based on very high ideals of Islam.  Where love and prosperity will flourish and we will become a beacon of light for rest of the world for the guidance and light of Islam.  Unluckily, we proved ourself weak and incapable.  We are corrupt, we are ignorant, we are acting like enemies of Islam.  We have damaged image of Islam, we have endangered life of our real brothers in islamic sence in Eurpoe, America and Eastern India because Pakistan is original and mainly western India by meaning.

We love Pakistn and Eastern Indian are our brother in cultural heritage..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, Indian politician mainly base their politics on showing enmity to Pakistan either it is BJP or Congress.  But it is sure that culturally they are our brothers.  India says Pakistan is part of India but being a Pakistani I say that India is part of Pakistan.  </p>
<p>India means people living near Indus who are they? Pakistani or Indian!</p>
<p>Mumlikat-e-Khudadad Pakistan was not based on hatred of our brothers on the other side of border but it was based on very high ideals of Islam.  Where love and prosperity will flourish and we will become a beacon of light for rest of the world for the guidance and light of Islam.  Unluckily, we proved ourself weak and incapable.  We are corrupt, we are ignorant, we are acting like enemies of Islam.  We have damaged image of Islam, we have endangered life of our real brothers in islamic sence in Eurpoe, America and Eastern India because Pakistan is original and mainly western India by meaning.</p>
<p>We love Pakistn and Eastern Indian are our brother in cultural heritage..</p>
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		<title>By: Firoze Hirjikaka</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Firoze Hirjikaka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tahir v.&#039;s comment is one of the most sensible and pragmatic ones I&#039;ve heard from  Pakistani in a long time. Both countries - and Pakistan in particular - need to stop being obsessed with the other and think selfishly about its own progress.

Both India and Pakistan spend a disproportionate percentage of their GNP on arming and maintaining military. In India&#039;s case, its economy is large and sound enough to somewhat absorb this huge expenditure. However, Pakistan&#039;s economy has historically been unable to sustain it. That is why essentials like infrastructure, education and allieviation of poverty are in a sorry state in that country.

Pakistan must realize that India is not determined to conquer or destroy Pakistan for the simple reason that it is not in India&#039;s interest to do so. India has enough problems keeping together its diverse castes and ethnic communities without adding 70 million more Muslims to the mix. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tahir v.&#8217;s comment is one of the most sensible and pragmatic ones I&#8217;ve heard from  Pakistani in a long time. Both countries &#8211; and Pakistan in particular &#8211; need to stop being obsessed with the other and think selfishly about its own progress.</p>
<p>Both India and Pakistan spend a disproportionate percentage of their GNP on arming and maintaining military. In India&#8217;s case, its economy is large and sound enough to somewhat absorb this huge expenditure. However, Pakistan&#8217;s economy has historically been unable to sustain it. That is why essentials like infrastructure, education and allieviation of poverty are in a sorry state in that country.</p>
<p>Pakistan must realize that India is not determined to conquer or destroy Pakistan for the simple reason that it is not in India&#8217;s interest to do so. India has enough problems keeping together its diverse castes and ethnic communities without adding 70 million more Muslims to the mix. </p>
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		<title>By: Amir Khan Gubodeor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amir Khan Gubodeor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rizwan Khan , evey ane person want to keep neighborhood clean and sanitized .No harm , if Indians look at Pakistan this way . Its a hard truth that the Pakistan Jinnah envisioned died long time ago and it&#039;s time for the urgent disposal of negtive elements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rizwan Khan , evey ane person want to keep neighborhood clean and sanitized .No harm , if Indians look at Pakistan this way . Its a hard truth that the Pakistan Jinnah envisioned died long time ago and it&#8217;s time for the urgent disposal of negtive elements.</p>
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		<title>By: NON RELIGIOUS</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NON RELIGIOUS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indians-Congress or any other- cannot do any more to harm Pakistan than what Pakistani&#039;s are doing to themselves.

The issue of Congress and BJP in power in India is irrelevant to the issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indians-Congress or any other- cannot do any more to harm Pakistan than what Pakistani&#8217;s are doing to themselves.</p>
<p>The issue of Congress and BJP in power in India is irrelevant to the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: farzana</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[farzana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr Sadiq said &quot;One should, however, never forget that no party in India, including the Congress can ever forget and forgive the Moghul period.&quot;

Chances are you&#039;ve never been to India, Chances are you dont have any friend or family living in India...
Chances are History as a subject has never been your forte.

Historically Mughal have never ruled over whole of present day india at any point in history. Their influence was restricted mostly to the Northern belt ...
In number of places friendly Rajput Rajas were alowed to retain the control over their territories by paying tribute to the Mughal regime...Rest of the country was ruled by a mix of Muslim and Hindu kings...While Mughal army engaged the armies of other Muslim and Hindu kings alike...ironically majority of the time, Mughal army was always under a Rajput commander with a large contingent of Rajput fighters. 

So whats the deal about forget and forgive the Mughals? Frankly nobody here in India cares.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Sadiq said &#8220;One should, however, never forget that no party in India, including the Congress can ever forget and forgive the Moghul period.&#8221;</p>
<p>Chances are you&#8217;ve never been to India, Chances are you dont have any friend or family living in India&#8230;<br />
Chances are History as a subject has never been your forte.</p>
<p>Historically Mughal have never ruled over whole of present day india at any point in history. Their influence was restricted mostly to the Northern belt &#8230;<br />
In number of places friendly Rajput Rajas were alowed to retain the control over their territories by paying tribute to the Mughal regime&#8230;Rest of the country was ruled by a mix of Muslim and Hindu kings&#8230;While Mughal army engaged the armies of other Muslim and Hindu kings alike&#8230;ironically majority of the time, Mughal army was always under a Rajput commander with a large contingent of Rajput fighters. </p>
<p>So whats the deal about forget and forgive the Mughals? Frankly nobody here in India cares.</p>
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		<title>By: farzana</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[farzana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nobody in India fights elections over issues like &#039;dealing with Pakistan&#039;... There are issues like country&#039;s economy, progress, welfare of ppl, etc count while electing a govt... 

So how does it matter to Pakistan which govt is elected in India?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody in India fights elections over issues like &#8216;dealing with Pakistan&#8217;&#8230; There are issues like country&#8217;s economy, progress, welfare of ppl, etc count while electing a govt&#8230; </p>
<p>So how does it matter to Pakistan which govt is elected in India?</p>
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		<title>By: Aziz Mirza</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aziz Mirza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Refer to Dr Sadiq. I am an Indian.

Its strange that you mention that India will never forgive its Mughal period. Indian are very proud of its Mughal period. Try destroy any Mughal period architecture like Jama Masjid, Taj Mahal etc and India will go to war over it.

Every school book teaches extensively about Mughal period. The films based on Mughal period are the most popular in India. Mughl-e-Azam, Taj Mahal, Jehanara, Jodha Akbar etc. You think only Muslims watch these films? The most expensive road in Delhi (where the mightiest of Indian corporate honchos live) is Aurangzeb Road, the most visited monument is Taj Mahal, The most familiar history to all Indians is Mughal period (not English Rule) and most popular food is Mughlai food. Pakistan national poet Iqbals&#039; &quot;Sare Jahan se acha&quot; is played on our Republic day parade every year and is the most popular song in Hindi speaking North India after the National Anthem. Every school marches to its tune on school functions. Try asking Indians to give up our Mughal heritage and we will nuclear bomb.

We consider it as part of our rich heritage and take pride in it. We do not look at it as a Hindu period or a Muslim period. Hardly anybody In India discusses  about the &quot;Hindu period&quot; although it was much longer than Mughal period. That may be because it was too far back and Mughal period ha been romaticized in India for its poetry, architecture etc and has written records available for reading and discussing.

There is an old saying. &quot;If you ever forget where you came from, you would never know where you are headed to.&quot;. We can not forget out heritage and roots. We will feel anchorless. Mughal period is our heritage and part of our roots. 

I wish Pakistan would also look at its heritage and roots to define its identity - whihc is in crisis today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refer to Dr Sadiq. I am an Indian.</p>
<p>Its strange that you mention that India will never forgive its Mughal period. Indian are very proud of its Mughal period. Try destroy any Mughal period architecture like Jama Masjid, Taj Mahal etc and India will go to war over it.</p>
<p>Every school book teaches extensively about Mughal period. The films based on Mughal period are the most popular in India. Mughl-e-Azam, Taj Mahal, Jehanara, Jodha Akbar etc. You think only Muslims watch these films? The most expensive road in Delhi (where the mightiest of Indian corporate honchos live) is Aurangzeb Road, the most visited monument is Taj Mahal, The most familiar history to all Indians is Mughal period (not English Rule) and most popular food is Mughlai food. Pakistan national poet Iqbals&#8217; &#8220;Sare Jahan se acha&#8221; is played on our Republic day parade every year and is the most popular song in Hindi speaking North India after the National Anthem. Every school marches to its tune on school functions. Try asking Indians to give up our Mughal heritage and we will nuclear bomb.</p>
<p>We consider it as part of our rich heritage and take pride in it. We do not look at it as a Hindu period or a Muslim period. Hardly anybody In India discusses  about the &#8220;Hindu period&#8221; although it was much longer than Mughal period. That may be because it was too far back and Mughal period ha been romaticized in India for its poetry, architecture etc and has written records available for reading and discussing.</p>
<p>There is an old saying. &#8220;If you ever forget where you came from, you would never know where you are headed to.&#8221;. We can not forget out heritage and roots. We will feel anchorless. Mughal period is our heritage and part of our roots. </p>
<p>I wish Pakistan would also look at its heritage and roots to define its identity &#8211; whihc is in crisis today.</p>
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