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		<title>By: Imran</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/06/22/the-military-and-cyberspace/comment-page-1/#comment-9430</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Imran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some think that the wars of the future will be fought on computer systems... wouldnt that be good?!

A cyber war does not just have to be the hacking into systems and looking at stuff or copying it from A to B. A cyber war can be very different animal... Cyber wars could involve... of course the command and control system thats a no brainer, but what about all the computers (easy targets) that were in the supply chain along the way. This might be the banking systems, parts suppliers, mobile phone companies. Pressing keys on a keyboard to deactivate the war heads...well if you can launch a missile like that there should be little reason why its cannot be stopped or diverted in a similar way.

The flaw in the cyber war is... just pull the electricity cable out...cant work your systems without electricity!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some think that the wars of the future will be fought on computer systems&#8230; wouldnt that be good?!</p>
<p>A cyber war does not just have to be the hacking into systems and looking at stuff or copying it from A to B. A cyber war can be very different animal&#8230; Cyber wars could involve&#8230; of course the command and control system thats a no brainer, but what about all the computers (easy targets) that were in the supply chain along the way. This might be the banking systems, parts suppliers, mobile phone companies. Pressing keys on a keyboard to deactivate the war heads&#8230;well if you can launch a missile like that there should be little reason why its cannot be stopped or diverted in a similar way.</p>
<p>The flaw in the cyber war is&#8230; just pull the electricity cable out&#8230;cant work your systems without electricity!</p>
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		<title>By: Nasir</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/06/22/the-military-and-cyberspace/comment-page-1/#comment-8589</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nasir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t give Pak military more ideas, as they are still entangled in the one (terror war) they got 4 decades ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t give Pak military more ideas, as they are still entangled in the one (terror war) they got 4 decades ago.</p>
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		<title>By: gul</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/06/22/the-military-and-cyberspace/comment-page-1/#comment-8568</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wars can never be fought on computers other wise USA wud have used its high tech computers and raddars to detect osama,baitullah and others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wars can never be fought on computers other wise USA wud have used its high tech computers and raddars to detect osama,baitullah and others.</p>
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		<title>By: Hammad</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/06/22/the-military-and-cyberspace/comment-page-1/#comment-8544</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hammad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes its an era of I.T. And our Milletery should be bred to not only defend the cyber attack but should also be capable of launching one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes its an era of I.T. And our Milletery should be bred to not only defend the cyber attack but should also be capable of launching one.</p>
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		<title>By: IT Buzz</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/06/22/the-military-and-cyberspace/comment-page-1/#comment-8456</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IT Buzz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yup its becoming a major threat for armies, Cyber criminals can steal major fore coming strategies of a Country and can act proactively so its a major threat today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup its becoming a major threat for armies, Cyber criminals can steal major fore coming strategies of a Country and can act proactively so its a major threat today.</p>
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		<title>By: Keti Zilgish</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/06/22/the-military-and-cyberspace/comment-page-1/#comment-8278</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keti Zilgish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In cyberspace the real war is taking place between open source and closed source. A wise chicken does not lay her eggs in one basket!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In cyberspace the real war is taking place between open source and closed source. A wise chicken does not lay her eggs in one basket!</p>
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		<title>By: Keti Zilgish</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/06/22/the-military-and-cyberspace/comment-page-1/#comment-8275</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keti Zilgish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With full respect to what Ejaz says: June 24th, 2009 at 1:16 am: &quot;humans take forever to change&quot;. In my humble opinion, a less totalitarian way of putting it would have been: SOME humans take forever to change. After All, diversity cannot be shoved underneath the rug. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With full respect to what Ejaz says: June 24th, 2009 at 1:16 am: &#8220;humans take forever to change&#8221;. In my humble opinion, a less totalitarian way of putting it would have been: SOME humans take forever to change. After All, diversity cannot be shoved underneath the rug. </p>
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		<title>By: Syed ALi Mehdi</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/06/22/the-military-and-cyberspace/comment-page-1/#comment-8208</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Syed ALi Mehdi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are a poor nation having to pay for the debts and at the same to meet the internal challenges. The polictical, social and economical turmoil is so strong that any attempt to have military bases (or any other similar thing) in the space is quite unlikely.
If we could get out of the present taliban problem it could be argued that our country would be able to look for ways to improve upon its military capability. I was never so proud of Pakistani Army as I am now. They really are doing a good job. It seems that all the years of investing in the military is now giving us the yeild. I just hope that our military gets stronger and stronger!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are a poor nation having to pay for the debts and at the same to meet the internal challenges. The polictical, social and economical turmoil is so strong that any attempt to have military bases (or any other similar thing) in the space is quite unlikely.<br />
If we could get out of the present taliban problem it could be argued that our country would be able to look for ways to improve upon its military capability. I was never so proud of Pakistani Army as I am now. They really are doing a good job. It seems that all the years of investing in the military is now giving us the yeild. I just hope that our military gets stronger and stronger!</p>
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		<title>By: Ejaz</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/06/22/the-military-and-cyberspace/comment-page-1/#comment-8173</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ejaz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[having had knowledge and some experience of both outfits, I believe Military outfits around the world ARE aware of the problem and some (US, UK, Israel, China etc.) are rigorously improving their systems, knowledge, new tactics, R&amp;D and above all investing in their personnel because the weakest link in a network is a human one. At the same time, Pakistan struggled in this arena and (FIA et al.) tried to approach relatively unknown hackers, Network specialists some of them have successfully participated in many activities regarding defence or offense but the key thing for Pakistan Defence outfit is that the top brass needs to create a mind-shift and focus on these things. You can&#039;t expect a civilian much less a nerdy dude to suddenly adopt your lifestyle and tougher hierarchies. Unless Pakistan Defence outfit invests heavily on its existing personnel, preparing its own team of experts through a permanent school/academy (Staff college anyone?) you&#039;d less likely listen to great stories from this side. 

Luckily like China, Pakistan gets a lot of uncalled-for voluntary services from many patriotic underground pros which have in the past taken down many indian and similar websites as well as IS networks. We just need to create a good human-network and pool of resources and channelize right energy through focused mediums without disrupting anyone&#039;s die-hard lifestyles. 

Sadly this comes down to more of a &quot;Human&quot; challenege than a technological challenge. And unlike technology, humans take forever to change. Sadly!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having had knowledge and some experience of both outfits, I believe Military outfits around the world ARE aware of the problem and some (US, UK, Israel, China etc.) are rigorously improving their systems, knowledge, new tactics, R&amp;D and above all investing in their personnel because the weakest link in a network is a human one. At the same time, Pakistan struggled in this arena and (FIA et al.) tried to approach relatively unknown hackers, Network specialists some of them have successfully participated in many activities regarding defence or offense but the key thing for Pakistan Defence outfit is that the top brass needs to create a mind-shift and focus on these things. You can&#8217;t expect a civilian much less a nerdy dude to suddenly adopt your lifestyle and tougher hierarchies. Unless Pakistan Defence outfit invests heavily on its existing personnel, preparing its own team of experts through a permanent school/academy (Staff college anyone?) you&#8217;d less likely listen to great stories from this side. </p>
<p>Luckily like China, Pakistan gets a lot of uncalled-for voluntary services from many patriotic underground pros which have in the past taken down many indian and similar websites as well as IS networks. We just need to create a good human-network and pool of resources and channelize right energy through focused mediums without disrupting anyone&#8217;s die-hard lifestyles. </p>
<p>Sadly this comes down to more of a &#8220;Human&#8221; challenege than a technological challenge. And unlike technology, humans take forever to change. Sadly!</p>
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		<title>By: HUSSAIN NAGARI</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2009/06/22/the-military-and-cyberspace/comment-page-1/#comment-8136</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HUSSAIN NAGARI]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Certainly it is an undenyable fact that a vigilant and powerful army should encompasses with the most sophisticated and advanced maneuvers.As our military is concerned,it must equiped of cyberspace technology because at present the world renowned forces have adapted new technologies for defencive purpose so why not pakistan do the same.Our army is brave and sincere but need to keep a vigilant tab on miscreants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly it is an undenyable fact that a vigilant and powerful army should encompasses with the most sophisticated and advanced maneuvers.As our military is concerned,it must equiped of cyberspace technology because at present the world renowned forces have adapted new technologies for defencive purpose so why not pakistan do the same.Our army is brave and sincere but need to keep a vigilant tab on miscreants.</p>
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