Comments on: Prioritising safety https://forum.dawn.com/2012/04/23/prioritising-safety/ Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:25:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.26 By: Faisal Haroon https://forum.dawn.com/2012/04/23/prioritising-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-84532 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://forum.dawn.com/?p=1671#comment-84532 Not that am propagating PIA I know PIA is also not in best shape still it is a fact that in spite of average age of the PIA fleet is more than in the Industry practice PIA is the only airline in the Country and within the region also with more experienced staff in every department whether engineering or crew. It is a well established airlines and safest to fly in the Country at least if not in the region. The engineers are better trained more experienced, pilots have on an a average more hours and better trained in the region and within the Country than any other airlines .PIA still has better systems, better SOPs, policies, crew resource management, and has derived better standards as it is in the aviation business for more than 60 years now. All these airlines are newer and younger thus lack expertise and have less experience required for this kind of operation. Though accidents can happened to any airline a few years back British Airways new B-777 coming from Beijing had its fuel pipes clogged. The pilot though safely put down the aircraft without loss of life but damaged the aircraft to an extent that it was not flyable again. Authorities later found out that had the pilot not tried to maintain the glideslope without power from both engines and dipped the nose to pick up a bit of speed, he would have safely been able to bring the plane in for landing. This was a typical case of a combination of procedures policy fault and Pilot error in the end. Therefore you are better off and at a lesser risk flying PIA than other budgeted Airlines it is not worth it. We really don’t know what is going on behind the doors in these organizations. There is no doubt though the a 450 plus Employee ratio per aircraft in Fleet for PIA does it no good. Overtime, organisations like WAPDA, Railways, PIA have become dumping grounds for those who don’t want to go home after retirement and those who need jobs, any job so they can sit and get paid. I have been an aviation enthusiast since my childhood and it pains me to see how PIA has slid from its prime as one of the best airlines of the world to one of the weakest financially, technically and in perception. Time to privatize it. No longer under Ministry of Defense please as a start

]]> By: Adnan Kakazai https://forum.dawn.com/2012/04/23/prioritising-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-84529 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://forum.dawn.com/?p=1671#comment-84529 Please for God Sake somebody take care of PIA’s 737’s

Unless and untill money injection with proper planning for the purchase of new aircrafts will not be done we are indeed going nowhwere. This is only a temporary thing that do inspections, do this, do that. Once the dust is settled everybody will forget it. Back to usual routine, happy or sad landings and take-off and waiting for a next incident (God forbid)

Professionals are needed to run airlines, we have examples in front of us, airlines trained by us are second to none, why we cannot do it for ourselves, with tourism almost nil, please attract a whole lot of Pakistanis living abroad to prefer our airlines rather than who we trained. Though it takes a lot to do it, first a will and sincerity and then what may come

]]> By: Syed https://forum.dawn.com/2012/04/23/prioritising-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-84526 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://forum.dawn.com/?p=1671#comment-84526 Dilawar sb. I am sure you remember Multan crash, we know why it happened. How many people were punished by CAA or what guidelines were enforced after that accident? that tells you a bit about our system of our check and balance. Govt should dig down in its pockets, bring in NTSB and let them review and propose corrective actions. I bet just Greg Fieth is enough to suggest a complete overhaul of the system, but that is just my opinion.

]]> By: Syed https://forum.dawn.com/2012/04/23/prioritising-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-84525 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://forum.dawn.com/?p=1671#comment-84525 No they already found an escape door, “act of nature”, it’s easy to blame God because no one can challenge it. sure if you tell it to a villager !!! what about those who managed to learn something? we know it could have been avoided, we know pilots are missing crucial training. we know the system is in dire need of upgrading. Invest and things will get better but who will be handling the transparency of it all? million dollar question.

]]> By: Syed https://forum.dawn.com/2012/04/23/prioritising-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-84524 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://forum.dawn.com/?p=1671#comment-84524 technology is there but did we upgrade to it? who can tell us how “in touch” we are with latest standards?

]]> By: Syed https://forum.dawn.com/2012/04/23/prioritising-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-84523 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://forum.dawn.com/?p=1671#comment-84523 Airport is not obsolete, the facilities are, correct me if I am wrong but I have not seen a Doppler radar at Islamabad airport, again, I believe we have the infrastructure, but it requires upgrade, but in a corrupt system, how can you create a positive impact?

]]> By: Syed https://forum.dawn.com/2012/04/23/prioritising-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-84522 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://forum.dawn.com/?p=1671#comment-84522 No. what started dodgy, will end the same way as well and why put the owner of airline on no fly list? start with the department that gave green light to bhoja, while you are at it, you may want to review the performance of ATCs around the country as well.

]]> By: Syed https://forum.dawn.com/2012/04/23/prioritising-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-84521 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://forum.dawn.com/?p=1671#comment-84521 Totally agree Nasir Sb. this has been my argument ever since I came to know about how emirates was started. We cannot fix PIA unless we curb corruption and party based appointments are stopped, due to this PIA has more workers than it actually needs. I think the review of work force is required by an independent authority and this can be the beginning. 2nd step is to bring forth revised standard operating procedures and guidelines, 3rd is to upgrade all airports systems. Safety is dependent on various elements. I have worked on various airports terminals in the world, closer to home, I have spent a lot of time working on Dubai terminal 3, where I was involved in building integration systems, flight information, instrument landing and baggage handling systems, it was my earliest project and the things I learned shocked me how much we are behind and lacking, but who ever listens to our comments right? you and I are just ordinary citizen, who managed to educate ourselves but still cannot dodge the fact the Govt. or people with power of decision lacks or fail to share our IQ. The sad story of our system.

]]> By: sohaib https://forum.dawn.com/2012/04/23/prioritising-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-84514 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://forum.dawn.com/?p=1671#comment-84514 CAA is a technical body and it should be released from the bureaucratic hold of Ministry of Defence.

We need competent people to head such organizations, not ‘friends’ of the influential people. This is the biggest gift of this government – corruption and cronyism at its peak.

There have been several accidents in the vicinity of Islamabad airport. So it cant be pilot error all the time.

]]> By: Muhammad Hussain https://forum.dawn.com/2012/04/23/prioritising-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-84512 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://forum.dawn.com/?p=1671#comment-84512 This is the delima of the time that all our Public Organizations got politicized. Governance and functions of all these public organizations are being manipulated by political elements.In this scenario,a fair so called Inspection or Investigation is just a night mare.

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