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		<title>By: Marvin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can easily manage this and can get powerful results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can easily manage this and can get powerful results.</p>
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		<title>By: Hassan</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2012/06/25/north-waziristan-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-88670</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hassan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you seen TTP Hakimullah&#039;s speeches? I have. Fighting Pakistani army is just one part of their agenda. Their aim is to establish their version of Sharia in Pakistan by force. What you say is the same misguided logic used by Imran Khan. You can&#039;t talk to them, they are ready to die for their cause. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen TTP Hakimullah&#8217;s speeches? I have. Fighting Pakistani army is just one part of their agenda. Their aim is to establish their version of Sharia in Pakistan by force. What you say is the same misguided logic used by Imran Khan. You can&#8217;t talk to them, they are ready to die for their cause. </p>
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		<title>By: asim</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bravo! you are on the point. No more client state or military policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo! you are on the point. No more client state or military policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Aftab</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aftab]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[USA is behind these incidents.they are trying to increase pressure on pakistan for opening the NATO routes.united States investing on Anti Pakistan elements wothin Pakistan and beyond tje boarder..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USA is behind these incidents.they are trying to increase pressure on pakistan for opening the NATO routes.united States investing on Anti Pakistan elements wothin Pakistan and beyond tje boarder..</p>
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		<title>By: Nadeem S</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nadeem S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tribal area strength is mostly myth, I am a Pashtun myself and the tribals are not with these ragtag criminal Shaitan Taliban, these people have no choice as they have little support from the world, but Pakistan has delayed this operation far too long, it should be an attack like nothing the region has seen, it must be scorched earth tactics, raze everything to the ground, leave not even a stick standing.

. Pakistani soldiers must operate disguised as Taliban, in civvies and must infilterate their ranks from inside out.

. Any Taliban caught must be treated in the same vein they treat our soldiers.

. Find their sympathizers in the villages, and shoot them on sight.

. No mercy should be given to these evil doers.

. A necklace of FM stations should be set up all across the region, in which the Holy Quran must be quoted regarding education for muslims, and how these Taliban are like Kafirs who kill fellow Muslims. The peoples support for Taliban must be withdrawn by sermons from the Mullahs.

. No seminary should be allowed without a license. Send intelligence agents to listen to mosque sermons and whose side are the Mullahs, arrest and kill them if they side with the enemy.

. Seal the border with Afghanistan and mine it.

. Push the Afghans back inside Afghanistan, there should be no non Pakistani citizens in Pakistan - Period.

. Any Pakistani official caught taking bribes and letting Afghans in to Pakistan must be arrested and imprisoned with heavy fines and face released on TV.

. Any Pakistani official guilty of giving Pakistani ID cards or passports to Afghanis should be arrested, and sent to jail for 20 years as well as heavy fines and faces on TV.

. Police have a habit of hiding faces of criminals, they must be shown to the public, the faces of victims must be hidden, in Pakistan I notice they do the opposite.

This is just a start.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tribal area strength is mostly myth, I am a Pashtun myself and the tribals are not with these ragtag criminal Shaitan Taliban, these people have no choice as they have little support from the world, but Pakistan has delayed this operation far too long, it should be an attack like nothing the region has seen, it must be scorched earth tactics, raze everything to the ground, leave not even a stick standing.</p>
<p>. Pakistani soldiers must operate disguised as Taliban, in civvies and must infilterate their ranks from inside out.</p>
<p>. Any Taliban caught must be treated in the same vein they treat our soldiers.</p>
<p>. Find their sympathizers in the villages, and shoot them on sight.</p>
<p>. No mercy should be given to these evil doers.</p>
<p>. A necklace of FM stations should be set up all across the region, in which the Holy Quran must be quoted regarding education for muslims, and how these Taliban are like Kafirs who kill fellow Muslims. The peoples support for Taliban must be withdrawn by sermons from the Mullahs.</p>
<p>. No seminary should be allowed without a license. Send intelligence agents to listen to mosque sermons and whose side are the Mullahs, arrest and kill them if they side with the enemy.</p>
<p>. Seal the border with Afghanistan and mine it.</p>
<p>. Push the Afghans back inside Afghanistan, there should be no non Pakistani citizens in Pakistan &#8211; Period.</p>
<p>. Any Pakistani official caught taking bribes and letting Afghans in to Pakistan must be arrested and imprisoned with heavy fines and face released on TV.</p>
<p>. Any Pakistani official guilty of giving Pakistani ID cards or passports to Afghanis should be arrested, and sent to jail for 20 years as well as heavy fines and faces on TV.</p>
<p>. Police have a habit of hiding faces of criminals, they must be shown to the public, the faces of victims must be hidden, in Pakistan I notice they do the opposite.</p>
<p>This is just a start.</p>
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		<title>By: Musa_BD</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Instead of joining with USA in 2001, Pakistan should have worked and invested on education, industrialization and modernization in the tribal areas. Then you would see that those stupid Talibans would think for a successful, meaningful and constructive life instead of blow themselves and killing others for no acceptable reasons. People there are illiterate and jobless, so they do not know any better use of time and life. Educate them first. Otherwise no operation will work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of joining with USA in 2001, Pakistan should have worked and invested on education, industrialization and modernization in the tribal areas. Then you would see that those stupid Talibans would think for a successful, meaningful and constructive life instead of blow themselves and killing others for no acceptable reasons. People there are illiterate and jobless, so they do not know any better use of time and life. Educate them first. Otherwise no operation will work.</p>
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		<title>By: Junaid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Junaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr/Ms Bhattacharya,
        I like your belief in the Pakistan Army. Even I do not have that much faith in them and I have studied the intricate details of their warfare strategy evolution for a while. I am also amused at your willingness for collateral damage, given that it is not YOUR people that will get killed. 
I think you partially misunderstand the concept of Jihad and mujahid. To the Taliban, defending against invaders and their allies (read Pakistan) IS Jihad. You may fairly ask, why does an invasion of Afghanistan invoke Jihad for these people in Pakistan. It has to do with tradition. It is a call to arms by fellow tribesman, cousins, and family members from across the border. And they are correct in this interpretation unfortunately. I am Sindhi. I want to see someone try and occupy my village. I will soak my fields with the blood of the invader or mine, whichever comes first. I do not see much difference in what the Pakhtun are doing in FATA.
The only way to rid the Taliban is to NOT use military force. You take away the cause and the support for militancy dissipates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr/Ms Bhattacharya,<br />
        I like your belief in the Pakistan Army. Even I do not have that much faith in them and I have studied the intricate details of their warfare strategy evolution for a while. I am also amused at your willingness for collateral damage, given that it is not YOUR people that will get killed.<br />
I think you partially misunderstand the concept of Jihad and mujahid. To the Taliban, defending against invaders and their allies (read Pakistan) IS Jihad. You may fairly ask, why does an invasion of Afghanistan invoke Jihad for these people in Pakistan. It has to do with tradition. It is a call to arms by fellow tribesman, cousins, and family members from across the border. And they are correct in this interpretation unfortunately. I am Sindhi. I want to see someone try and occupy my village. I will soak my fields with the blood of the invader or mine, whichever comes first. I do not see much difference in what the Pakhtun are doing in FATA.<br />
The only way to rid the Taliban is to NOT use military force. You take away the cause and the support for militancy dissipates.</p>
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		<title>By: Junaid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Junaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you think the HN can be operational netered in 1 day? I wonder why the US does not agree with that asessment. Or why the Soviets could not do it either. I think it is because it is fiction. HN cannot be dismantled in one day, neither should Pakistan do anything about it. HN openly refrains from attacking Pakistani targets. So why should be try and pick a fight? The answer is shameful to admit, is it not? We would be acting as a client state, and there is no denying it. 
I live in the US. They will leave, and sooner than you think. Do not confuse Americans with their government. 
A word about &#039;Afghan will&#039;. I think you are a bit confused here. Afghans are undeniably ferocious and do not tolerate FOREIGN invaders. Taliban are Afghan. The concept of the common Afghan not having the will to defeat them is silly - Taliban were from them even if they ruled over them. I will not sing the praises of &#039;Afghan will&#039;. But let me know when any invader is openly accepted as their master. I will doubt their will then. 
Guarantees from US regarding India? That is just pipe-dreams. That comment makes me believe that you are detached from the realities of the real world. There is no such thing as a guarantee with respect to another country. I do not even know where to start. You REALLY think we should ask another country for guarantees to our security? 
Also, we definitely cannot deploy 100 soldiers to each village, even if that was a sane idea to begin with. You overestimate the capacity of Pakistan Army by a big margin. 
Overall, your suggestions seem to suggest that the US is completely sincere and honest and Pakistan should listen to Uncle Sam without any suspicions. I am afraid you either think too much of the US and its intentions, or you know some inside scoop I am completely unaware of. Sorry for sounding sarcastic, but I simply could not believe the stuff you suggested. Sounded like a really good joke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you think the HN can be operational netered in 1 day? I wonder why the US does not agree with that asessment. Or why the Soviets could not do it either. I think it is because it is fiction. HN cannot be dismantled in one day, neither should Pakistan do anything about it. HN openly refrains from attacking Pakistani targets. So why should be try and pick a fight? The answer is shameful to admit, is it not? We would be acting as a client state, and there is no denying it.<br />
I live in the US. They will leave, and sooner than you think. Do not confuse Americans with their government.<br />
A word about &#8216;Afghan will&#8217;. I think you are a bit confused here. Afghans are undeniably ferocious and do not tolerate FOREIGN invaders. Taliban are Afghan. The concept of the common Afghan not having the will to defeat them is silly &#8211; Taliban were from them even if they ruled over them. I will not sing the praises of &#8216;Afghan will&#8217;. But let me know when any invader is openly accepted as their master. I will doubt their will then.<br />
Guarantees from US regarding India? That is just pipe-dreams. That comment makes me believe that you are detached from the realities of the real world. There is no such thing as a guarantee with respect to another country. I do not even know where to start. You REALLY think we should ask another country for guarantees to our security?<br />
Also, we definitely cannot deploy 100 soldiers to each village, even if that was a sane idea to begin with. You overestimate the capacity of Pakistan Army by a big margin.<br />
Overall, your suggestions seem to suggest that the US is completely sincere and honest and Pakistan should listen to Uncle Sam without any suspicions. I am afraid you either think too much of the US and its intentions, or you know some inside scoop I am completely unaware of. Sorry for sounding sarcastic, but I simply could not believe the stuff you suggested. Sounded like a really good joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Junaid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Junaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Ask Ms. Clinton to establish and develop USIS centres in Pakistan&quot;. The Kashkol that endures even in humiliation and despair. 
I am very disappointing to see how people suggest massive military action in NW like the area has no women or children living there. This is the attitude - treating the Kabailis like foreigners that are less than Pakistani - that has lead us here. TTP, whether we like it or not, are Pakistanis and they are not threatening our way of life, we are encroaching on their traditions. I want to defeat their ideology, which has no relation to our way of life. (what &#039;way of life&#039; are we refering to anyway? a client state, humiliated by its master every other day?)I guess denial is not just a river in Egypt. I wonder how people would feel if this talk was about KHI. Why not give 30 days to the gangsters in KHI and them move the &#039;IDP&#039;s. But wait, that would be unthinkable! The hypocrisy is amazing. BTW, NATO killed our troops as well. Should we give them 30 days and attack them as well. No? Why? Right. Because they will squash our troops like flies. The use of force should not be guided by ability but by necessity. NW is part of Pakistan. Any decent Pakistani should be against using military force against them, whether they are rebellious or not. Otherwise, let us be true to the standard. Do a massive military operation in KHI and sent the &#039;ultimatums&#039; out to the NATO. Then we can all sit and watch them laugh at us .... again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ask Ms. Clinton to establish and develop USIS centres in Pakistan&#8221;. The Kashkol that endures even in humiliation and despair.<br />
I am very disappointing to see how people suggest massive military action in NW like the area has no women or children living there. This is the attitude &#8211; treating the Kabailis like foreigners that are less than Pakistani &#8211; that has lead us here. TTP, whether we like it or not, are Pakistanis and they are not threatening our way of life, we are encroaching on their traditions. I want to defeat their ideology, which has no relation to our way of life. (what &#8216;way of life&#8217; are we refering to anyway? a client state, humiliated by its master every other day?)I guess denial is not just a river in Egypt. I wonder how people would feel if this talk was about KHI. Why not give 30 days to the gangsters in KHI and them move the &#8216;IDP&#8217;s. But wait, that would be unthinkable! The hypocrisy is amazing. BTW, NATO killed our troops as well. Should we give them 30 days and attack them as well. No? Why? Right. Because they will squash our troops like flies. The use of force should not be guided by ability but by necessity. NW is part of Pakistan. Any decent Pakistani should be against using military force against them, whether they are rebellious or not. Otherwise, let us be true to the standard. Do a massive military operation in KHI and sent the &#8216;ultimatums&#8217; out to the NATO. Then we can all sit and watch them laugh at us &#8230;. again.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Try and understand why Pakistan is also fed up of US games in this region. Seems like the ppl resp for the 17 Pakistani soldiers are given a free hand by US and Afghan authorities from that side of the border.

http://dawn.com/2012/06/28/mullah-radio-re-emerges-as-a-security-threat/


Pakistan is not blind. It is at the moment occupied at both internal and external fronts. 

Drone stikes can never win this if US chooses its targets without anyone else knowing who they are striking. So many weddings and public meetings have been targeted. Even President Carter has criticised this and other Obama tactics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try and understand why Pakistan is also fed up of US games in this region. Seems like the ppl resp for the 17 Pakistani soldiers are given a free hand by US and Afghan authorities from that side of the border.</p>
<p><a href="http://dawn.com/2012/06/28/mullah-radio-re-emerges-as-a-security-threat/" rel="nofollow">http://dawn.com/2012/06/28/mullah-radio-re-emerges-as-a-security-threat/</a></p>
<p>Pakistan is not blind. It is at the moment occupied at both internal and external fronts. </p>
<p>Drone stikes can never win this if US chooses its targets without anyone else knowing who they are striking. So many weddings and public meetings have been targeted. Even President Carter has criticised this and other Obama tactics.</p>
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