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		<title>By: Nasir Khan</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2012/07/06/old-ties-new-promises/comment-page-2/#comment-89233</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nasir Khan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it is so, then the responsibility lies squarely on US shoulders which in its arrogance has alienated Pakistani Populace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is so, then the responsibility lies squarely on US shoulders which in its arrogance has alienated Pakistani Populace.</p>
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		<title>By: Silajit</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2012/07/06/old-ties-new-promises/comment-page-2/#comment-89229</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silajit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Calling Hillary Clinton’s words an apology may be ok for non English speakers. For any body that speaks English, it is obvious that it is the equivalent of any of us paying condolences and saying, “I’m sorry that your family member passed away.”

In fairness, it would be silly on the part of the US to issue an apology without Pakistan issuing a few dozen such apologies for the deaths of US soldiers at the hands of the Taliban that enjoy safe havens south of the Durand Line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling Hillary Clinton’s words an apology may be ok for non English speakers. For any body that speaks English, it is obvious that it is the equivalent of any of us paying condolences and saying, “I’m sorry that your family member passed away.”</p>
<p>In fairness, it would be silly on the part of the US to issue an apology without Pakistan issuing a few dozen such apologies for the deaths of US soldiers at the hands of the Taliban that enjoy safe havens south of the Durand Line.</p>
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		<title>By: Agha Ata</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2012/07/06/old-ties-new-promises/comment-page-2/#comment-89226</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Agha Ata]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pakistan is a new country.   It doesn&#039;t know how to do things that are absolutely necessary but lacks public or parliamentary support.  There must be a way to do it.  All countries face such situations from time to time.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pakistan is a new country.   It doesn&#8217;t know how to do things that are absolutely necessary but lacks public or parliamentary support.  There must be a way to do it.  All countries face such situations from time to time.  <img src="https://forum.dawn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Amit-Atlanta-USA</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2012/07/06/old-ties-new-promises/comment-page-2/#comment-89206</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amit-Atlanta-USA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t foresee how US-Pak relations can really improve when 74% of the Pakistanis see the US as an enemy while only 59% see India as an enemy.

Ref: PEW Research Center Global Attitudes Project June 27th 2012]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t foresee how US-Pak relations can really improve when 74% of the Pakistanis see the US as an enemy while only 59% see India as an enemy.</p>
<p>Ref: PEW Research Center Global Attitudes Project June 27th 2012</p>
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		<title>By: Amit-Atlanta-USA</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2012/07/06/old-ties-new-promises/comment-page-2/#comment-89204</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amit-Atlanta-USA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a) FIRSTLY, there was NO APLOGY from the US side. The US ONLY said we are SORRY for the loss of lives. When asked to elaborate US State Dept. Spokeswoman Ms. Nuland said mistakes were made by BOTH SIDES and both US &amp; Pak expressed sorry for the loss of lives......which literally means NOTHING!

b) US-Pak relations will ultimately depend on how far Pakistan is willing to help Afghanistan in the peace process and stop the attacks by the Haqqanis and others, especially given that the US draw-down is fast looming and after 10 years of bitter fighting &amp; 1000&#039;s of US &amp; Nato lives lost, they will surely not want to leave the field open for the Taliban to recapture power.

Short of these steps all other talk of US-Pak bonhamie is mere fantasy and ONLY for public consumption.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a) FIRSTLY, there was NO APLOGY from the US side. The US ONLY said we are SORRY for the loss of lives. When asked to elaborate US State Dept. Spokeswoman Ms. Nuland said mistakes were made by BOTH SIDES and both US &amp; Pak expressed sorry for the loss of lives&#8230;&#8230;which literally means NOTHING!</p>
<p>b) US-Pak relations will ultimately depend on how far Pakistan is willing to help Afghanistan in the peace process and stop the attacks by the Haqqanis and others, especially given that the US draw-down is fast looming and after 10 years of bitter fighting &amp; 1000&#8217;s of US &amp; Nato lives lost, they will surely not want to leave the field open for the Taliban to recapture power.</p>
<p>Short of these steps all other talk of US-Pak bonhamie is mere fantasy and ONLY for public consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Raoul Ciao</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2012/07/06/old-ties-new-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-89203</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raoul Ciao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, while Pakistan had a lot of real issues and bones to pick with the USA, it;s inability to handle either it&#039;s own internal infighting cadres of politics, armed forces, intelligentsia, media and judiciary or the external world through good diplomatic abilities, made sure the sorry episode made the Pak nation a laughing stock. The wording agreed to by Khar and team certainly is a joke - not an apology, but &quot;we did it together and are together sorry&quot; message.

Bigger picture however was that Pakistan was able to publicly celebrate a moral victory and move on grudgingly and save face before reopening NATO routes - the reality is that the US badly needed the pakistani routes. 

Hopefully going ahead they shall sort out their differences with more dignity and ensure the war on terror or on whatever they call it, is carried out quickly and the ACTUAL targets of this are hit and made to run as against the soap opera we saw. US has to use this gesture from Pakistan to try and improve their stock in Pakistan, where it is at an all time low, and actually, now the subcontinent trusts US even lesser than it did earlier - we all see the shabby treatment of Pakistan and the public fun they made of Pakistan as an example of how far US can go to meet it&#039;s own ends.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, while Pakistan had a lot of real issues and bones to pick with the USA, it;s inability to handle either it&#8217;s own internal infighting cadres of politics, armed forces, intelligentsia, media and judiciary or the external world through good diplomatic abilities, made sure the sorry episode made the Pak nation a laughing stock. The wording agreed to by Khar and team certainly is a joke &#8211; not an apology, but &#8220;we did it together and are together sorry&#8221; message.</p>
<p>Bigger picture however was that Pakistan was able to publicly celebrate a moral victory and move on grudgingly and save face before reopening NATO routes &#8211; the reality is that the US badly needed the pakistani routes. </p>
<p>Hopefully going ahead they shall sort out their differences with more dignity and ensure the war on terror or on whatever they call it, is carried out quickly and the ACTUAL targets of this are hit and made to run as against the soap opera we saw. US has to use this gesture from Pakistan to try and improve their stock in Pakistan, where it is at an all time low, and actually, now the subcontinent trusts US even lesser than it did earlier &#8211; we all see the shabby treatment of Pakistan and the public fun they made of Pakistan as an example of how far US can go to meet it&#8217;s own ends.</p>
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		<title>By: SHK</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2012/07/06/old-ties-new-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-89193</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SHK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this relationship has destroyed Pakistan over the years, the sorry in my opinion is useless. We are fighting someone elses war, we are losing money on defence, our people are dying because of the drone attacks, our tourist attraction places are a mess.....let me mention a line from an American Movie &quot;US does not have friends it has interests&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this relationship has destroyed Pakistan over the years, the sorry in my opinion is useless. We are fighting someone elses war, we are losing money on defence, our people are dying because of the drone attacks, our tourist attraction places are a mess&#8230;..let me mention a line from an American Movie &#8220;US does not have friends it has interests&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2012/07/06/old-ties-new-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-89187</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G.A.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is that American saying? Democracies don&#039;t go to war against each other? Unfortunately America has a patent on this saying and wouldn&#039;t hesitate to attack any democracy if it suits it&#039;s national security interests.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is that American saying? Democracies don&#8217;t go to war against each other? Unfortunately America has a patent on this saying and wouldn&#8217;t hesitate to attack any democracy if it suits it&#8217;s national security interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Arbab Zahid</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2012/07/06/old-ties-new-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-89180</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arbab Zahid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[please rectify if the facts are altered]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please rectify if the facts are altered</p>
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		<title>By: Dilawar</title>
		<link>https://forum.dawn.com/2012/07/06/old-ties-new-promises/comment-page-1/#comment-89168</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dilawar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You commentary sound incoherent in terms of ideas and also the facts. It seems that you have have just translated a chapter of some Urdu History book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You commentary sound incoherent in terms of ideas and also the facts. It seems that you have have just translated a chapter of some Urdu History book.</p>
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